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The Sith Lords Restored Content Mod (talk - history - links - logs)

I am thoroughly convinced that the subject of this article fails notability requirements, and a primary contributor to the article appears to be a developer for it. We are not an ad service. While Team Gizka may have stalled, it at least has received official recognition. This, however, has only seemed to get some notice on an isolated gaming site. I can't find anything elsewhere and nothing official whatsoever. —Unsigned comment by Jedimasterfiolli (talk • contribs)

Delete

  1. — Fiolli {Alpheridies University ComNet} 22:20, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Imperialles 04:02, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
  3. -- 1358 (Talk) 04:59, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
    —Master Jonathan(Jedi Council Chambers) 05:32, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Green Tentacle (Talk) 22:29, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Per my comment below. NAYAYEN:TALK 15:24, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 15:38, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Move it to the Fan Wiki, but not notable enough for Wookieepedia. Pranay Sobusk ~ Talk 15:48, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Chack Jadson (Talk) 16:20, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
    Jonjedigrandmaster Jedi symbol (We seed the stars) 16:38, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
  9. —BobaFett1 Bounties collected JasterMereelsSigil-TESB 16:46, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
  10. If but for the screamers defending it. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 17:31, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Per Naru, curmudgeons unite! Dangerdan97 18:13, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
    ASDF1239Chiss Ascendancy-DISCUSSION- 22:50, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
  12. --Vandar Tokare42 03:54, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Keep

Lord of Hunger 10:32, May 2, 2010 (UTC) (Vote struck, reason: Per policy: less than 50 mainspace edits -- —JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 14:42, May 2, 2010 (UTC))
Markus Ramikin 13:51, May 2, 2010 (UTC) (Vote struck, reason: Per policy: less than 50 mainspace edits -- —JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 14:42, May 2, 2010 (UTC))
CrazzyyDanyy 17:33, May 2, 2010 (UTC) (Vote struck, reason: Per policy: less than 50 mainspace edits -- —JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 14:42, May 2, 2010 (UTC))
  1. Jediphile 16:12, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Merge to Cut content from Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

  1. And keep a redirect, and the resulting history. Do the same for Team Gizka's work. —Silly Dan (talk) 17:56, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Per Dan, here as with TSLRP. Graestan(Talk) 18:22, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Per Dan. —Master Jonathan(Jedi Council Chambers) 18:41, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
  4. This is a good idea. Put them both on the same page. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 03:59, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
    Er...wouldn't we have to rename the page, then? It's not exactly cut content.—BobaFett1 Bounties collected JasterMereelsSigil-TESB 19:18, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
    No, because the restored content was originally cut. — Fiolli {Alpheridies University ComNet} 20:03, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
    Oh, okay. It's still a mod, though.—BobaFett1 Bounties collected JasterMereelsSigil-TESB 21:00, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Yes, this at least deserves a mention there and on the BTS of the TSL article. SoresuMakashi(Everything I tell you is a lie) 04:00, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 17:54, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Comments

I am one of the various contributors to this page. We have listed many sources on the page linking to many different sources of official recognition, whereas Team Gizka has NONE whatsoever. This is not an attempt to use Wookieepedia as an add service. TSLRCM has received just as much official recognition as TSLRP, if not more. If this page is to be deleted, the page for TSLRP should also be deleted to maintain the same standard for all.

Here is the list of sources again:

Sources of mainstream recognition:

  1. http://gamesareevil.com/2009/09/evilcast-newsbrief-episode-59/
  2. http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Knights-Of-The-Old-Republic-II-Restored-Content-Project-Enters-Open-Beta-20134.html
  3. http://kotaku.com/5370864/kotor-2-is-finally-finished
  4. http://hothardware.com/News/LongAwaited-KOTOR-II-Mod-Restores-Missing-Content-Faith-in-Humanity/
  5. http://www.n4g.com/pc/News-403013.aspx
  6. PC Zone article in PDF format: http://www.deadlystream.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=39&d=1259834618
  7. http://www.rpgwatch.com/show/newsbit?newsbit=13286
  8. http://www.modrealms.com/modifications/star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-ii-the-sith-lords-restored-content-mod-v1-4/
  9. http://www.neoseeker.com/news/11912-star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-ii-restoration-mod-released/
  10. http://www.gamebanshee.com/news/static/EkVFZAZFpyHbEMcaal.php
  11. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/95113-KOTOR-2-Restored-Content-Project-This-Is-the-Mod-Youre-Looking-For
  12. http://www.hookedgamers.com/features/2009/10/20/kotor_2_restoration_project.html

Fan recognition references:

  1. http://lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=200694
  2. http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php?showtopic=53289
  3. http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=579897
  4. http://www.articlebliss.com/article_marketing_videos/v-8rOBUChvxp8/tsl-restored-content-modification-trailer.html
  5. http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/kotor2/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-51495697&pid=920601
  6. http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/a2w3m/has_anybody_played_through_the_kotor_ii_restored/
  7. http://z11.invisionfree.com/KOTOR_Movies/index.php?showtopic=1541
  8. http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=154466
  9. http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewstory&threadid=102695
  10. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3206373
  11. http://www.pcpowerplay.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=2848047
  12. http://forums.ngemu.com/game-console-discussion/127912-kotor-ii-tsl-restored-content-mod-1-4-released-open-beta.html
  13. http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=87369
  14. http://www.bioware.ru/forum/topic/6841/
  15. http://www.gamegrep.com/reviews/26471-kotor_2_restored_content_mod_review/
  16. http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/09/29/kotor-2-restored-content-in-open-beta/
  17. http://hellforge.gameriot.com/blogs/GameRiot-The-Blog/KOTOR2-Revisited-The-Restored-Content-mod-is-finished-1
  18. http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/GameRiot-The-Blog/KOTOR2-Revisited-The-Restored-Content-mod-is-finished
  19. http://gamerblips.dailyradar.com/story/news-kotor2-missing-content-restored/
  20. http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=65499.0
  21. http://ayfs.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/star-wars-geeks-of-the-world-rejoice-kotor2-missing-content-restored/
  22. http://www.cscentral.ru/files/22966/

Lord of Hunger 10:31, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

TSLRCM is big, serious and notable. I can't understand how anyone can, in good will, claim otherwise. I have even more trouble understanding why the article on Team Gizka's vaporware is being brought up as a positive contrast, since it has like no outside sources, no references to anything other than Team Gizka's own site. TSLRCM has been referenced all over the Internet since it first came out, and a good chunk of that has been noted both in the article as well as in the comment above by LoH. Are you guys who claim otherwise just pretending this huge list doesn't exist, or what? I really don't get it. --Markus Ramikin 13:51, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

  • Yes, that list is long, correct. None of them, however, count as "significant coverage in a major mainstream media outlet". An announcement on a gaming website is not "significant coverage" nor are the websites "major mainstream media outlet". I personally have only heard of 4 of those tops. Wookieepedia has been mentioned by the New York Times, that is a major mainstream media outlet. Okay, maybe you're going for the "widespread recognition within the Star Wars fan community" section. You have a reasonable amount of recognition by the gaming community but I don't see a list full of Star Wars sites, just one or two. Bear in mind that the existence of article A is not a reason to keep article B. If it helps, you might want to ask an administrator to export this to the Star Wars Fan Wiki, however. NAYAYEN:TALK 15:24, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, there's no 1up or IGN, so it can't be that important.—BobaFett1 Bounties collected JasterMereelsSigil-TESB 16:45, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
They do have links to the Escapist and Kotaku, which are fairly well-known gaming blogs, but when the policy mentions "mainstream recognition", most users seem to be interpreting that as something more like general-purpose print or broadcast media. —Silly Dan (talk) 17:56, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Since the TSLRP page is also being eliminated, there is a degree of consistency with the notability policy. However, I fail to see how this falls into the category of fandom. It is a legitimate restoration of a significant work within the Star Wars canon. The fact that it is such an important topic warrants that it at least retain its mention in the Cut Content from TSL page. Also, in the future it would be helpful that the administrator when addressing disagreements over topics such as the notability policy provide a decent explanation as to the requirements of that policy. During the creation of this page, our questions and comments were repeatedly ignored.

Also, to the opening post: TSLRP has never received any "official recognition" and barely any fan recognition either. There are no links whatsoever to any sites other than their own website and their videos on YouTube.

Thank you for your time, and for at least exporting the page to the fan wiki.Lord of Hunger 03:30, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

  • It falls into the category of fandom because it's not an official Lucasfilm project. Anything that is not officially licensed by Lucasfilm, whether it is a website, parody, video game mod, or anything else, is considered a fan project that must meet the notability requirements. —Master Jonathan(Jedi Council Chambers) 05:07, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Team Gizka may have been officially recognized, but TSLRCM seems to have done virtually everything TG wanted to do. Given how many people wanted this game restored and no one is making any money off of it, I fail to see how this is an advertisement. Deadly Stream has strangely disappeared as well, (if anyone knows why or if they'll return I'd love to know), so deleting this page will only hurt fans. —Unsigned comment by 71.224.43.90 (talk • contribs)