Forum:TC:TCW non-notables - Chapter II

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The result of the debate was Delete. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 11:18, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

Unidentified IG-100 MagnaGuards (Skytop Station)

• Unidentified IG-100 MagnaGuard 2 (Skytop Station) (was given orders, nothing more) (talk - history - links - logs)
• Unidentified IG-100 MagnaGuard 3 (Skytop Station) (dat speculation in the Bts) (talk - history - links - logs)
• Unidentified IG-100 MagnaGuard 4 (Skytop Station) (was destroyed) (talk - history - links - logs)

Delete

1. Winterz (talk) 15:52, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
2. Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 16:54, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
3. Cade Calrayn 18:06, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
4. Trip391 (talk) 20:04, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
5. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 01:37, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
6. CC7567 ^(talk) 01:50, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
7. None of these are notable. The argument for number 4 below is flawed in that the linked clone trooper was featured in an action figure, which is what makes him notable. —MJ— ^{Jedi Council Chambers} 04:37, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
   • Point taken, but what about the Twi'lek who was simply noticed? TheMasterMind (talk) 18:05, January 19, 2014 (UTC)
     • That article is highly questionable, and I would argue that it should probably be deleted as well. Generally, "this similar thing exists" is virtually always a flawed argument because that other thing can be trash compacted as well. The only time such an argument is reasonable is when the other article was recently debated in the TC with a consensus to keep (or no consensus leaning toward keep). —MJ— ^{Training Room} 02:52, January 20, 2014 (UTC)
       • I only used that argument in the case of articles that achieved some sort of status, which means that it's been verified by people to a certain degree. TheMasterMind (talk) 12:21, January 20, 2014 (UTC)
         • Having status only means that the article has been checked for compliance with the requirements for that status, as listed at the top of the nomination pages. Those requirements do not include "...be notable." Status articles can and do get deleted for lack of notability, and indeed there is Yellow power droid|one such article set to be discussed at the next EC meeting for possible TCing. —MJ— _{War Room} 20:42, January 20, 2014 (UTC)
8. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:37, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
9. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 16:55, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
10. JangFett ^(Talk) 02:00, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
11. Supreme Emperor (talk) 05:59, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
12. Just watched the episode. Completely unnotable. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 08:47, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
13. Gonna have to agree. Corellian Premier^{The Force will be with you always} 19:00, January 19, 2014 (UTC)
14. What's the point? LIGHTNING12345678910 (talk) 19:42, January 19, 2014 (UTC)

Keep

1. 4th guard had a unique death scene by a major character, like Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper|this guy. As for the second guard, a major character spoke directly him, more notable than simply noticing him. TheMasterMind (talk) 18:24, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
2. Good point by TMM. KEJ (talk) 21:43, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Unidentified Vulture-class droid starfighters (Skytop Station)

• Unidentified Vulture-class droid starfighter (Skytop Station) (part of a squadron, nothing notable about it) (talk - history - links - logs)
• Unidentified Vulture-class droid starfighter 2 (Skytop Station) (part of a squadron, nothing notable about it) (talk - history - links - logs)
• Unidentified Vulture-class droid starfighter 3 (Skytop Station) (part of a squadron, nothing notable about it) (talk - history - links - logs)

Delete

1. Winterz (talk) 15:52, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
2. Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 16:54, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
3. Cade Calrayn 18:06, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
4. Trip391 (talk) 20:04, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
5. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 01:38, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
6. CC7567 ^(talk) 01:50, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
7. Again, it's the action figure that makes TMM's example notable, not the death scene itself. —MJ— ^{Jedi Council Chambers} 04:38, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
8. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:37, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
9. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 16:55, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
10. I would be hesitant to say a "unique" death scene like those described qualifies. (Stormtrooper #456 was killed by Leia's blaster bolt 45 minutes 14 seconds into the story, while #457 was killed at 45:16, you see.) —Silly Dan _(talk) 01:36, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
    • Well you could read the summary and you'll see how each of them was individually tackled. What you are describing are not unique scenes at all. TheMasterMind (talk) 12:28, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
      • I read the articles. I'm just not sure that the unique death scenes are enough. Sure, Ahsoka kills one, Rex and Anakin kill another, and a third is killed by redirected friendly fire -- but all three are killed during the same battle by the same team of Republic forces. —Silly Dan _(talk) 21:51, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
        • I don't know what being killed in the same battle and by the same team has to do with this, I just think that since they were all given unique death scenes, they are more notable than say 50 nameless droids, all killed in a single explosion in the same shot. TheMasterMind (talk) 18:09, January 19, 2014 (UTC)
          • More notable than one of 50 such droids doesn't necessarily mean notable enough for an article. —Silly Dan _(talk) 04:54, January 21, 2014 (UTC)
11. JangFett ^(Talk) 02:01, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
12. Supreme Emperor (talk) 05:59, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
13. Just watched the episode. Completely unnotable. Frankly, it kind of shocks me anyone would ever create articles for something like this. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 08:49, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
14. Manoof (talk) 09:03, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
15. Yep. Corellian Premier^{The Force will be with you always} 19:00, January 19, 2014 (UTC)
16. r u joking? LIGHTNING12345678910 (talk) 19:05, January 19, 2014 (UTC)

Keep

1. Each one of them had a unique death scene, unlike the tens of B1 battle droids which were mowed down in the same scene I would further motivate this with an Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper|example that even got a good article status. TheMasterMind (talk) 18:03, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
2. Good point by TMM. KEJ (talk) 21:43, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Unidentified B1 battle droids (Rodia)

• Unidentified B1 battle droid 7 (Rodia) (part of a large group that received orders) (talk - history - links - logs)
• Unidentified B1 battle droid 8 (Rodia) (part of a large group that received orders) (talk - history - links - logs)
• Unidentified B1 battle droid 9 (Rodia) (part of a large group that received orders) (talk - history - links - logs)
• Unidentified B1 battle droid 10 (Rodia) (part of a large group that received orders) (talk - history - links - logs)
• Unidentified B1 battle droid 12 (Rodia) (this one and another are given orders) (talk - history - links - logs)

Delete

1. Winterz (talk) 15:52, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
2. Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 16:54, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
3. Cade Calrayn 18:06, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
4. Trip391 (talk) 20:04, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
5. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 01:38, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
6. CC7567 ^(talk) 01:50, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
7. Merely parroting a stock, pre-programmed, unoriginal response does not make a droid notable. —MJ— ^{Jedi Council Chambers} 04:40, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
8. While a quote normally is enough group quotes can't count, otherwise scenes where crowds are cheering will destroy us. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:38, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
   • Eheheh, actually laughed with this one. Thank you, sir. Lets just be careful not to remind someone into doing it. Winterz (talk) 14:35, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
     • While that's true, this situation was slightly different since each droid took turns in responding and didn't talk all at once, plus there weren't even that many. I agree that it's a generic quote though, MJ. TheMasterMind (talk) 15:14, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
9. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 16:55, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
10. You can't distinguish these droids from any other B1. —Silly Dan _(talk) 01:37, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
11. JangFett ^(Talk) 02:01, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
12. Still just generic battle droids. Supreme Emperor (talk) 05:59, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
13. I think this is a case where the "has dialogue" portion of the imaginary notability guidelines doesn't cut it. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 07:17, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
14. Delete? Roger Roger Manoof (talk) 09:05, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
15. Gonna have to agree. Corellian Premier^{The Force will be with you always} 19:00, January 19, 2014 (UTC)
16. LIGHTNING12345678910 (talk) 19:43, January 19, 2014 (UTC)

Keep

1. They all had a quote, even if it was the generic "Roger roger". I thought a quote would warrant notability and an article.TheMasterMind (talk) 18:04, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
2. KEJ (talk) 22:00, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was No consensus. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:14, February 4, 2014 (UTC)

Unidentified LM-432 crab droid

• Unidentified LM-432 crab droid (hundreds of droids attacked Jar Jar that day..but apparently this one's notable for...?) (talk - history - links - logs)

Delete

1. This one's slightly more arguable but its so called "notable-interaction" is attacking Jar Jar and not being among a group. I say, burn. Winterz (talk) 15:52, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
2. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 01:40, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
3. CC7567 ^(talk) 01:50, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
4. Cade Calrayn 02:49, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
5. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 16:55, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
6. JangFett ^(Talk) 02:02, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
7. I don't see what makes this droid special. Jar Jar wrestled with the thing for 10 seconds, and then it fell off a cliff. If this were a super battle droid, we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 07:07, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
   • Seriously, this JangFett ^(Talk) 19:29, January 22, 2014 (UTC)
     • I don't see why this would not be notable, the droid gets everything from a reference, to a long fight scenes with a main character, interaction within the plotline and a death scene. The only thing missing is a quote. This droid is clearly much more unique than the tens of droids that don't do anything special and act just like background props. I mean, this is what you people keep mentioning when you want to delete an unidentified article: something to make it stand out from the crowd. This guy has plenty... TheMasterMind (talk) 14:43, January 23, 2014 (UTC)
8. Yeah, I'm just not seeing how this is worth anything. MasterFred^(Whatever) 04:41, January 23, 2014 (UTC)
9. I must say that I do not like droid articles of this kind: "Unidentified twenty-second droid to attack Jar-Jar in the year 21 BBY"—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 21:31, January 26, 2014 (UTC)
10. Trip391 (talk) 21:33, January 26, 2014 (UTC)
11. Green Tentacle ^(Talk) 14:30, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Keep

1. Because of interaction with major character. KEJ (talk) 16:19, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
2. Per my argument on the Zygerrian in the previous TC.--Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 16:54, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
3. Only one crab droid attacked Jar Jar, he was referenced by the character in a quote, and he got quite a lengthy fight and death scene.TheMasterMind (talk) 18:01, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
   • Can we get a quote of this "reference", please? Winterz (talk) 22:07, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
     • It's in the article. This is all C-3PO says: "Look out, Jar Jar, a crab droid is headed right for you!" They then proceed to wrestle for a few seconds and roll off a cliff, but Jar Jar miraculously survives. Big deal. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:35, January 23, 2014 (UTC)
4. We need more crab droids. Corellian Premier^{The Force will be with you always} 01:02, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
5. Plot-affecting interaction with major character. —MJ— _{Council Chambers} 04:42, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
6. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:39, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
7. 501st dogma^(talk) 12:45, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
8. Referenced by a notable character. Supreme Emperor (talk) 05:59, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
9. Manoof (talk) 09:06, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. —MJ— ^{Training Room} 22:26, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Unidentified clone trooper pilot 2 (Rodia)

• Unidentified clone trooper pilot 2 (Rodia) (was co-pilot to one somewhat notable, that's it) (talk - history - links - logs)

Delete

1. Winterz (talk) 16:01, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
2. Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 16:54, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
3. Trip391 (talk) 20:04, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
4. Cade Calrayn 23:55, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
5. He could be anybody. Corellian Premier^{The Force will be with you always} 01:02, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
6. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 01:41, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
7. CC7567 ^(talk) 01:50, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
8. Not a shred of notability here. —MJ— ^{Training Room} 04:43, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
9. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 16:55, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
10. JangFett ^(Talk) 02:02, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
11. Supreme Emperor (talk) 05:59, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
12. Just looked at this episode. This guy does exactly nothing. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 06:35, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
13. Agreed above. LIGHTNING12345678910 (talk) 14:10, January 20, 2014 (UTC)
14. MasterFred^(Whatever) 04:42, January 23, 2014 (UTC)
15. Meh. 501st dogma^(talk) 00:22, January 24, 2014 (UTC)
16. IMO, one of the primary problems with these articles isn't so much the notability (although that is a problem). Rather, I think the bigger problem is that we don't know enough about these characters. There's nothing distinguishable about them, so "Unidentified clone trooper pilot 2 (Rodia)" could also be "Unidentified clone trooper pilot 4 (Mygeeto)." Since we can't distinguish them, we can't be sure, so we might be having two articles on the same guy.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 21:34, January 26, 2014 (UTC)
    • Honestly that argument can work for every single clone and droid that we don't see getting killed on-screen.TheMasterMind (talk) 17:29, January 27, 2014 (UTC)
17. Green Tentacle ^(Talk) 14:31, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Keep

1. Because of participation - albeit minor - in a slightly notable event. KEJ (talk) 16:20, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
   • So all pictured characters that appear in a.. notable battle for instance, they all deserve articles just because of participation? You should re-think that argument, sir. Winterz (talk) 16:24, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
     • Dude, I am not going to discuss anything here beyond my vote. It could be construed as disruptive behavior, and users could get banned, which I am not interested in. KEJ (talk) 16:27, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
       • Stop with that. Discussions are allowed, as long as they remain civil. The user that was banned was sticking his nose in affairs that didn't concern him and even ignored the warnings. So no, you're not getting banned for further expanding your argument. Anyway, I would intend to pursue this discussion (in the respective section on the bottom), if you do to, respond there. Winterz (talk) 16:38, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
2. As per my argument for the Mandalorian officer in the previous TC. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:41, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
3. Per Ayrehead's point above. TheMasterMind (talk) 20:48, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
4. As Ayrehead Manoof (talk) 09:07, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 11:18, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

Unidentified Senate Commando 3 (Tranquility)

• Unidentified Senate Commando 3 (Tranquility) (guarded something) (talk - history - links - logs)
• Unidentified Senate Commando 4 (Tranquility) (guarded something) (talk - history - links - logs)

Delete

1. Winterz (talk) 16:01, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
2. Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 16:54, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
3. Cade Calrayn 18:06, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
4. Trip391 (talk) 20:04, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
5. I think I'm going to vote here. He could have been anybody before he was shot. Corellian Premier^{The Force will be with you always} 01:02, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
6. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 01:44, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
7. CC7567 ^(talk) 01:50, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
8. Interacted with a major character, yes, but only briefly and without any significant impact on the plot. —MJ— _{Council Chambers} 04:45, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
9. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:41, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
10. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 16:55, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
11. The articles are indistinguishable, which makes it hard to tell that the characters are. —Silly Dan _(talk) 01:40, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
12. JangFett ^(Talk) 02:02, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
13. Generic guards. Supreme Emperor (talk) 05:59, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
14. These guys do nothing. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 06:53, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
15. Manoof (talk) 09:07, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
16. LIGHTNING12345678910 (talk) 19:28, January 19, 2014 (UTC)

Keep

1. Because of interaction with a major character. KEJ (talk) 16:19, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Discussion