Forum:TC:TCW non-notables - Chapter I

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or, if the page was deleted, in the Senate Hall rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was as follows:

• Unidentified Mandalorian officer 2 — delete
• Unidentified Twi'lek dancer — delete
• Unidentified Twi'lek dancer 2 — delete
• Unidentified Twi'lek dancer 3 — delete
• Unidentified clone trooper 2 (Ryloth) — delete
• Bravo Squad cadet 3 — keep
• Bravo Squad cadet 4 — keep
• Bravo Squad cadet 5 — keep
• Bravo Squad cadet 2 — keep
• Unidentified Zygerrian slaver 3 (Kadavo) — no consensus
• Unidentified Zygerrian guard 2 — no consensus
• Unidentified clone trooper (Umbara) — delete
• Unidentified clone trooper 2 (Kiros) — delete

—MJ— _{Council Chambers} 21:07, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

TCW non-notables - Chapter I

• Unidentified Mandalorian officer 2 (he just fought, and it wasn't much of a fight either, his more notable partner did the rest) (talk - history - links - logs)
• Unidentified Twi'lek dancer (danced.) (talk - history - links - logs)
• Unidentified Twi'lek dancer 2 (danced 2.) (talk - history - links - logs)
• Unidentified Twi'lek dancer 3 (danced 3.) (talk - history - links - logs)
• Unidentified clone trooper 2 (Ryloth) (seen planting explosives with other clone troopers, nothing more) (talk - history - links - logs)
• Bravo Squad cadet 3 (was given orders) (talk - history - links - logs)
• Bravo Squad cadet 4 (was given orders 2) (talk - history - links - logs)
• Bravo Squad cadet 5 (presence) (talk - history - links - logs)
• Bravo Squad cadet 2 (presence) (talk - history - links - logs)
• Unidentified Zygerrian slaver 3 (Kadavo) (hit Obi-Wan once) (talk - history - links - logs)
• Unidentified Zygerrian guard 2 (fired a few shots) (talk - history - links - logs)
• Unidentified clone trooper (Umbara) (being the first one to die?) (talk - history - links - logs)
• Unidentified clone trooper 2 (Kiros) (was wounded along with a hundred others) (talk - history - links - logs)

For the obvious reasons. These articles don't fill in the minimum notability required for deserving an article. This is just a start, since there are already hundreds of articles of this sort plaguing Wookieepedia.

Unidentified Mandalorian officer 2

Delete

1. Winterz (talk) 19:52, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
2. Stake black ^msg 20:15, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
3. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 00:40, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
4. Trip391 (talk) 00:43, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
5. 501st dogma^(talk) 01:05, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
6. Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 04:24, January 10, 2014 (UTC)

   Manoof (talk) 10:25, January 11, 2014 (UTC)

7. —MJ— _Comlink 19:59, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
8. CC7567 ^(talk) 07:09, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
9. Yep. Corellian Premier^{The Force will be with you always} 14:55, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
10. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 23:44, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
11. JangFett ^(Talk) 02:04, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
12. Cade Calrayn 22:11, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
13. Really just a generic guard. Supreme Emperor (talk) 22:11, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
14. Don't see the point. LIGHTNING12345678910 (talk) 16:52, January 21, 2014 (UTC)

Keep

1. Given that his partner's article is notable enough to be kept, this article will almost definately one day be called for if anyone ever tries to nominate his partner to status. As soon as the article says that he had a partner someone will ask for an article to be created. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:24, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
2. Per Ayrehead. TheMasterMind (talk) 15:05, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
3. Good point above. KEJ (talk) 02:46, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
4. Tis indeed a good point. Even if it forever remains a stub, at least his partner won't have a redlink... Manoof (talk) 08:42, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
   • In response to all of you voting keep on this reasoning, why is this a good point? If the article is deleted by TC consensus, it can't be recreated through a nomination objection, so it doesn't matter if someone calls for its creation or not. Your reasoning doesn't make any sense. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 09:37, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
     • It's not about it being recreated, it's about it not being TC in the first place. TheMasterMind (talk) 10:34, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
       • If it is deleted by TC then it won't be recreated your right, but then we're being inconsistent. There are loads of articles like it that people have asked to be created during status nominations, for any article that says something like this individual and another did something. To be honest I'm not overly bothered about if we do or don't have these kind of articles but if we get rid of this then in future just because someone is mentioned as an individual in an article dosen't mean they should get an article, e.g from my experience stuff like Unidentified Adnerem. This is why I've pushed for some form of notability policy before to have a consistent ruling, even though I consider my self and inclusionist hence why I'm pushing for this to be kept not for other things to be deleted. Ayrehead02 (talk) 23:27, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

Unidentified Twi'lek dancers

Delete

1. Winterz (talk) 19:52, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
2. Pls die. Stake black ^msg 20:15, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
3. Cade Calrayn 20:30, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
4. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 00:40, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
5. Trip391 (talk) 00:43, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
6. 501st dogma^(talk) 01:05, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
7. Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 04:24, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
8. Manoof (talk) 10:25, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
9. —MJ— _Comlink 19:59, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
10. CC7567 ^(talk) 07:09, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
11. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 23:44, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
12. JangFett ^(Talk) 02:04, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
13. Much as we all love Twi'lek dancers, not notable. Supreme Emperor (talk) 05:44, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

Keep

1. Keep and expand. Haven't seen the episode since it aired but surely there's something more to be added. Corellian Premier^{The Force will be with you always} 14:55, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
   • You underestimate the capability of some people to create articles for absolute non-notable subjects, eheh. Winterz (talk) 15:16, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
2. KEJ (talk) 10:48, January 19, 2014 (UTC)
3. An interesting point that I have overlooked before I watched the episode again was that the first and second dancer talked and had voice actors who were referenced in episode cast (and who also voiced other important characters). TheMasterMind (talk) 17:52, January 19, 2014 (UTC)

Unidentified clone trooper 2 (Ryloth)

Delete

1. Winterz (talk) 19:52, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
2. Stake black ^msg 20:15, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
3. Cade Calrayn 20:30, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
4. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 00:40, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
5. Trip391 (talk) 00:43, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
6. 501st dogma^(talk) 01:06, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
7. Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 04:24, January 10, 2014 (UTC)

   Manoof (talk) 10:25, January 11, 2014 (UTC)

8. —MJ— _Comlink 19:59, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
9. CC7567 ^(talk) 07:09, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
10. Definitely. Corellian Premier^{The Force will be with you always} 14:55, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
11. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 23:44, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
12. JangFett ^(Talk) 02:04, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
13. Supreme Emperor (talk) 05:44, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

Keep

1. KEJ (talk) 17:59, January 12, 2014 (UTC)
2. Same reasoning as the Mandalorian Officer above. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:30, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
3. TheMasterMind (talk) 15:06, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
4. Manoof (talk) 08:58, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

Bravo Squad cadets

Delete

1. Winterz (talk) 19:52, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

2. JangFett ^(Talk) 02:04, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

Keep

1. First of all, it's a terrible idea to try and lump all of these into a single vote, because they're not all the same. I believe we have reason to keep these Bravo Squad cadets, for example, who are distinguishable by the numbers on their armor. They're not just random faces in the crowd. I would suggest doing individual votes for each article. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:55, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
2. Toprawa put up a fair point about the numbers thing, my bad. Winterz (talk) 20:06, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
3. Cade Calrayn 20:28, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
4. Bleh. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 00:40, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
5. Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 04:24, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
6. Manoof (talk) 10:25, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
7. —MJ— _Comlink 19:59, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
8. KEJ (talk) 17:55, January 12, 2014 (UTC)
9. CC7567 ^(talk) 07:09, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
10. Yep. Corellian Premier^{The Force will be with you always} 14:55, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
11. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 23:44, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
12. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:31, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
13. Supreme Emperor (talk) 05:44, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

Unidentified Zygerrians

Delete

1. Winterz (talk) 20:06, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
2. Stake black ^msg 20:15, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
3. Cade Calrayn 20:30, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
4. "Unique action"? Seriously? Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 00:40, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
5. Trip391 (talk) 00:43, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
6. CC7567 ^(talk) 07:09, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
7. JangFett ^(Talk) 16:54, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
8. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 23:44, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
9. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 01:53, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
10. JangFett ^(Talk) 02:04, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

Keep

1. The second one is definitely a lot more notable if you bother to read the summary, basically he was the reason why Obi didn't manage to escape the facility. As for the first, unique action, torturing Obi, even if he had no quotes. TheMasterMind (talk) 00:10, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
2. I think that Unidentified Zygerrian guard 2 did enough to have an article. Unidentified Zygerrian slaver 3 (Kadavo) did not, but the way the voting is set up currently does not allow me to vote separately.--Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 04:24, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
   • C'mon EJ, all he did was shoot and hit someone. You really think that alone makes it notable? I mean, if so, then we would have to make articles for every individual droid that managed to kill a Jedi on the Petranaki arena. The situations between both Zygerrians are similar hence why I've put them together. Winterz (talk) 12:07, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
     • Except he was the only one shooting, he hit a main character, and he influenced the plot by not allowing Obi Wan to escape...TheMasterMind (talk) 12:40, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
       • Winterz, we have status articles like this guy who are not that different, except that he got shot instead of shooting someone.--Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 15:57, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
         • Now that's where you're mistaken. That stormtrooper gained notability only when he was featured/pictured in countless other sources, not to mention that he was played by an extra and not made by 3D animations programs. Now, this Zygerrian is merely a guard (of several) chasing down Kenobi and he appears only in like a frame. If just the fact that this totally irrelevant character hit Kenobi out of luck makes it worthy of an article, then I'm sorry to say but it seems all "glimpse-characters" that have appeared only hitting someone are also worthy of articles. Winterz (talk) 04:45, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
           • I would argue that a "glimpse-character" would have to hit a named character to be worthy of an article, hitting some other random person wouldn't be enough in my opinion.--Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 05:43, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
3. Agree with EJ Manoof (talk) 10:25, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
4. Per TheMasterMind. Both are notable in their own way, albeit only marginally so. —MJ— _Comlink 19:59, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
5. Per EJ. 501st dogma^(talk) 20:03, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
6. Interacts, through his actions, with a main chracter and thus plays a role in the plot. KEJ (talk) 17:57, January 12, 2014 (UTC)
7. At least the Kadavo one is sorta-notable. Corellian Premier^{The Force will be with you always} 14:55, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
8. As per above. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:32, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
9. Per above. Supreme Emperor (talk) 05:44, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

Unidentified clone trooper (Umbara)

Delete

1. Winterz (talk) 20:06, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
2. Stake black ^msg 20:15, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
3. Cade Calrayn 20:30, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
4. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 00:40, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
5. Trip391 (talk) 00:43, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
6. 501st dogma^(talk) 01:10, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
7. Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 04:24, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
8. Manoof (talk) 10:25, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
9. —MJ— _Comlink 19:59, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
10. CC7567 ^(talk) 07:09, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
11. Thought about voting keep, but it really doesn't add anything. Corellian Premier^{The Force will be with you always} 14:55, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
12. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 23:44, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
13. As he is just one of several killed he isn't really notable. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:33, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
14. JangFett ^(Talk) 02:04, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
15. Supreme Emperor (talk) 05:44, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

Keep

Unidentified clone trooper 2 (Kiros)

Delete

1. Winterz (talk) 20:06, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
2. Stake black ^msg 20:15, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
3. Cade Calrayn 20:30, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
4. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 00:40, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
5. Trip391 (talk) 00:43, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
6. 501st dogma^(talk) 01:14, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
7. Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 04:24, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
8. Manoof (talk) 10:25, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
9. —MJ— _Comlink 19:59, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
10. CC7567 ^(talk) 07:09, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
11. Sure. Corellian Premier^{The Force will be with you always} 14:55, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
12. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 23:44, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
13. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:35, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
14. JangFett ^(Talk) 02:04, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
15. Supreme Emperor (talk) 05:44, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

Keep

Discussion

• Winterz, this isn't going to pass if you don't break it up into separate votes. Some of them, like the Bravo squad cadet, are notable. Cade Calrayn 19:54, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
  • Well I sort of screwed it up now. Is there any chance of still being able to separate the votes in this one? Winterz (talk) 19:58, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
    • Feel free to reorganize this into multiple votes. You may consider my vote stricken. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:59, January 9, 2014 (UTC)