Forum:TC:Grievous's mother

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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or, if the page was deleted, in the Senate Hall rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Delete. Imperators II(Talk) 16:29, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Grievous's mother (history - links - logs - delete - protect)

Effectively a repeat of Forum:TC:Grievous's parents, but now we have another source saying that Grievous had a "father" so that page can remain. I want to rehold this TC because it was done right before "the Incident". I was fully on board with deleting the page. The source only notes "[Grievous] was born to flesh-and-blood parents." We do not know enough about Kaleesh biology to really pin down if that means he had a mother. But, a certain admin voted to keep the page. And I was warned by another user, who was also scared of him I believe, in dms that it would be best not to vote against the admin on this. So, I changed my vote to not be out of line with him. I don't remember my exact emotions, but i know i changed it to be in line. Now that he's gone, we can have a fair vote on this matter Editoronthewiki (talk) 15:44, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Delete

  1. Editoronthewiki (talk) 15:44, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
  2. I'll repeat what Immi said: "The detail that he had flesh-and-blood parents isn't confirmation of 1 mother + 1 father without knowing how Kaleesh reproduce; the articles just amount to "They presumably existed."" Manoof (he/him/his) RainbowRebellion2 15:51, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
  3. Imperators II(Talk) 15:54, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
  4. OOM 224 (he/him) 16:12, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
  5. LucaRoR Sigil of House Serenno (Talk) 16:22, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
  6. CT-1742 Clone Army patch (talk) 17:15, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
  7. I've always found that page weird. All the source mentions are his parents, not mother, so the page is speculation. Rsand 30 (talk) 18:20, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
  8. Lewisr (talk) 18:48, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
  9. ThrawnChiss7 Mitth symbol Assembly Cupola 19:57, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
  10. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 20:04, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
  11. Dentface (talk) 00:17, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
  12. VergenceScatter (talk) 02:48, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
  13. Wok142 (talk) 05:22, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
  14. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 05:37, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
  15. Supreme Emperor Holocomm 07:41, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
  16. I'd say that the term "flesh and blood" here is intended to say they weren't cyborgs like him rather then them being his biological parents or anything else. Ayrehead02 (talk) 08:31, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
  17. NanoLuukeCloning Facility 21:54, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
  18. I agree with what that Immi Thrax person said last time. ;) Immi Thrax RainbowRebellion2 (she/her) 03:13, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
  19. —spookywillowwtalk 03:25, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
  20. Loqiical (talk) 03:17, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
  21. NBDani TeamFireballLogo-Collider(they/them)Yeager's Repairs 16:28, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Keep

Comments

  • Yes, I know that this is a CA now. But I'm the one who CANed it, so i'm fine with seeing it go Editoronthewiki (talk) 15:45, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
  • It's frustrating seeing "per discord discussion" without access to that discussion, and we should avoid these blind statements that don't disclose what those discussions were Manoof (he/him/his) RainbowRebellion2 15:51, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Noting for the record that per the Consensus policy, "In order to overturn a previous consensus resolution made within two years, a renewed vote must be held with a voter participation equal to or greater than the original discussion." This means that in this case, this vote is going to need at least twelve votes in total in order for it to be able to pass with the "delete" outcome. Imperators II(Talk) 16:03, 11 March 2023 (UTC)