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The result of the debate was no consensus; keep. Graestan(Talk) 01:55, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Duel on the Star Forge (talk - history - links - logs)

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The duel, in gameplay is treated as a part of the broader battle and not merely a separate incident that just happened to take place. Master Aban Fiolli {Alpheridies University ComNet} 06:19, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
If we separate the duel on the star forge for the battle page then, I think we should do the same thing for the Duel on The Ravager, and separate it from the battle of Telos IV, along with Exile vs. Sion, and Exile vs. Traya. In a way Duel on the ravager is just as defining as the Duel on the Star Forge. Because if the ravager survives, then Nihilus would have Destroyed Citadel station, and all that work on Telos would have been nothing but a big Financial waste for the republic.User:Revanthereformer1138
There isn't as much material that can be used for the Duel on the Ravager, however. There's just a few lines the beginning, then the fight which can't really be described, and Visas taking off Nihilus' mask. Drewton Era-old (Drewton's Holocron) 19:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

And finally my own thoughts, in response to Jaymach:

This information is mostly already contained within our article about the Battle of Rakata Prime. It would be very much appreciated if you would consider merging the information in here with the larger article.--Goodwood Redstarbird (Alliance Intelligence) 01:07, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Only if you merge Duel on the Anakin Solo into Battle of Kashyyyk and Duel on Death Star II into Battle of Endor too. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 01:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Like what Fiolli says below, in gameplay this duel is treated as part of the broader Battle of Rakata Prime (which I had GAed with plans for an eventual FA; the FA version of the article would have had more about the duel than what is there now). While the Duel on the Anakin Solo can be considered a separate aspect of the Battle of Kashyyyk (Luke sneaking aboard the vessel with his own goal in mind while Caedus "engages" the Wookiees), and the Duel on Death Star II as different (Luke intended for his presence aboard the battle station to delay the Emperor while Han's strike team took down the shield and the Rebel fleet destroyed it), the Duel on the Star Forge is the culmination of the whole Battle of Rakata Prime, rather than a separate or semi-separate incident that happens to take place during/alongside. Revan boarded the Star Forge with the express purpose both of taking Bastila's battle meditation out of the picture (by redemption or death, depending on alignment, etc. though the former is canon), and to defeat Malak, who still controlled the factories and could theoretically continue to pump out droid ships enough to overpower the Republic despite any battle meditation-delivered assistance. The argument against having a separate article for the Exile's attack on Nihilus applies too; there really isn't enough to make a proper article out of that event that isn't already part of the Battle of Telos IV. The article, as it stands, really needs to be rewritten to reflect the Manual of Style and is, furthermore, somewhat inflated by excess fluff.--Goodwood Redstarbird (Alliance Intelligence) 06:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Furthermore, the article was given an Overhaul template very early on by myself, as it leaves much to be desired in terms of following the Manual of Style, an overhaul that never took place. It is therefore my conclusion, as it was when the article was first created, that it should be merged and redirected to Battle of Rakata Prime; since that article was written by myself, I would be more than happy to conduct the merge.

Delete

Merge with Battle of Rakata Prime

  1. Goodwood Redstarbird (Alliance Intelligence) 00:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  2. Thefourdotelipsis 11:27, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  3. All duel articles that are concurrent to battles should be merged. And I say this as a rampant hyperinclusionist. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 17:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  4. Per Culator. Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Talk page) 17:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  5. Per teh_Culator. Unit 8311 17:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  6. Absolutely. Duel articles should be merged with battles. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:41, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  7. What Toprawa and Ralltiir said (unless a duel happens completely outside of a battle, of course). Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 17:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  8. Articles about duels concurrent to battles should be exception, not the rule. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 18:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  9. Per example of Battle of Coruscant Yrfeloran 03:20, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  10. I played the game and IMO Merging the duel with the battle makes the most sense.MadclawShyriiwook! 19:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  11. Per Culator. Green Tentacle (Talk) 17:23, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Keep

  1. Greyman(Talk) 17:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  2. Drewton Era-old (Drewton's Holocron) 17:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  3. I know this isn't going to work, but this seems like an exception to me. -MPK 18:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  4. Jedi Kasra 01:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  5. Just don't delete it. KEJ 12:39, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
  6. Duel on Death Star II. Battle of Endor. These have existed as a precedent for a very, very long time. Graestan(Talk) 13:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments

There should be more screenshots of Revan's challenges like the massive army of sith padawans and troopers. Futhermore, the jedi bodies in the Star Forge should be shown therefore exposing the power of the Star Forge to people who have never played KotOR. And there should be a spoiler warning because this ruins the whole suprise of the game making it boring for first time players.

  • There isn't room for more screenshots. If anyone is avoiding spoilers for KOTOR, they shouldn't be reading KOTOR articles on Wookieepedia. Drewton Era-old (Drewton's Holocron) 17:11, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • If you're gonna merge this article with the Battle of Rakata Prime article, and say that all duels that were part of a battle should be merged with the respective battles, then let's merge Duel on the Death Star II, First Duel on the Anakin Solo, Battle of Uroro Station, the list probably goes on.--Jedi Kasra 01:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Revan's role in the Battle of Rakata Prime was to stop Bastila from using her Battle Meditation for the Sith. If he'd just left after fighting Bastila, the results of the battle would likely have been the same. Fighting Malak was another battle which had nothing to do with destroying the Star Forge. Drewton Era-old (Drewton's Holocron) 23:05, 22 June 2008 (UTC)