Forum:TC:Cad Bane's posse

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or, if the page was deleted, in the Senate Hall rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Delete without redirect. Grunny ^(Talk) 14:54, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Cad Bane's posse (talk - history - links - logs)

Cad Bane's posse is not an official organization or group—merely a group of bounty hunters assembled for a single mission. We have more reason to create an article for Zayne Carrick's posse or Bomo Greenbark's posse, as they were a cohesive group for an extended period of time. Am I actually suggesting we create these? No. But I am saying that given the non-existance of those articles, we have no real reason to keep Bane's. In addition, it does not appear that this group has worked together before, or will work together again in the new season of The Clone Wars.

Also, the page is nothing but a retelling of Invitation Only and Hostage Crisis. Darth Trayus ^{(Trayus Academy)} 02:14, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Delete

Redirect to Cad Bane

Darth Trayus ^{(Trayus Academy)} 02:14, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

1. <TCW fan>But Cad Bane is awesome!!!!11!11!!!!1! Everything related to Cade bane must equaly awesom even if we have to make stuff up!!!1!!!1!!</TCW fan> OW. It hurts to try to think like that. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 02:18, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

   Awful idea. Should have been speedied. Next time, log on IRC and go like, "speedy this." And watch it vanish. Also per Culator and that Johnathan fellow. --Imperialles 10:08, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

2. Always had problems with this one. Mauser^Comlink 10:22, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

   Damn TCW and its crap. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 12:17, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

   Well, I would definitely agree with Trayus. I don't think Cad should have an article for his one-time posse, and the name isn't even confirmed. I'd say redirect for now. JangFett ^(Talk) 12:26, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

3. Count me among those who think we ought to keep a redirect. The fact that it's his posse is mentioned in dialogue, so it's likely someone may search that term in conjunction with his name; and redirects are cheap. jSarek 20:57, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Delete without redirect

1. Delete per Trayus below and do not redirect because 1) it's an unlikely search term (as is the case with most conjectural titles), 2) it's a team of several beings, so redirecting to a single member of the team (even if he is the de facto leader) is arbitrary at best, since most, if not all, members had equally important roles, and 3) redirecting to the episode would make sense only if that was the only appearance, which it isn't (and besides, in keeping with the in-universe theme of the Wook, I think redirecting from an IU subject to an OOU article is a bad idea anyway). —Master Jonathan^{(Jedi Council Chambers)} 04:21, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
   • I more think he meant to redirect to Senate hostage crisis, the IU event, not the episode "Hostage Crisis." - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 04:34, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
     • Ah, I see that now. My mistake. However, #3 above still applies by analogy; the hostage crisis is not the one and only event the team participated in (again, see the events of Invitation Only), so redirecting to it doesn't quite make sense. My vote of delete w/o redirect still stands. —Master Jonathan^{(Jedi Council Chambers)} 20:14, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
2. I vote delete. This w/o redirect thing, however, is splitting up the delete vote, which means its more likely to be kept :\. SoresuMakashi^{(Everything I tell you is a lie)} 10:18, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
   • That isn't true. We established this quite a few years ago. --Imperialles 10:26, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
3. Can't see any need for a redirect. Green Tentacle ^(Talk) 19:15, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
4. Redirect seems pointless. My above point still stands. --Imperialles 08:02, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
5. My "Damn TCW and its crap" comment still stands. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 20:01, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
6. A canon source does refer to this as a "posse," but I'm not inclined to interpret that as any kind of official, long-term group. They banded together for one operation and then went their separate ways. I guess the best way to compare this is, how is this different than every other one-time bounty hunter "grouping" in canon? Bossk once "grouped" with Tinian I'att and Chenlambec, but is that group worthy of an article? Of course not, and so I think neither is this. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:07, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
7. A group formed solely on money and bounty hunting, even if explicitly stated as a "posse," is hardly an official group at all. The group's sole mission does nothing to alleviate this looseness. A redirect, as stated above, would be as pointless as keeping this article. CC7567 ^(talk) 20:25, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
8. After a second though, redirecting this article to "Cad Bane" would be pointless. JangFett ^(Talk) 20:29, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
9. I'm perfectly fine with just deleting this as well. So long as it's gone, I'll be happy. Darth Trayus ^{(Trayus Academy)} 21:42, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
10. Nayayen^(talk) 22:47, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
11. Chack Jadson ^(Talk) 14:31, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Keep

1. IFYLOFD ^{(You will pay the price for your lack of vision!)} 02:15, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
2. In Invitation Only, Davtokk explicitly states, "It's an honor, sir, to be considered for your posse...." It's official. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 02:19, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
   • That's like saying that a high schooler with a new group of friends that someone wants to be apart of is an official organization. Just because they're bounty hunters doesn't make it legitimate. Darth Trayus ^{(Trayus Academy)} 03:43, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
     • They were a group of hunters brought together as a team for a specific purpose, just like the Geonosis strike team was a group of Jedi assembled for a specific purpose. There's no indication the surviving Jedi ever worked all together as a team again. The Endor strike team was assembled by Han Solo for the purpose of bringing down the shield generator, but the article is basically just a retelling of parts of Return of the Jedi and likewise, there's no indication all survivors of the team worked together again as a group. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 04:00, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
       • Those were official military forces used for a specific mission. If we have an article for every group of people who ever worked together for a mission, we should have one for: #****Bane, Cato, and Todo for the mission to the Jedi Temple
         • Anakin, Aayla, Ahsoka, Rex, and Bly for Maridun
         • One for Anakin and Ahsoka alone for a bunch of missions they worked together on
         • One for Anakin, Padme, R2, and 3PO for them breaking into the Geonosis droid foundry in Ep. II
         • And SO many more. Darth Trayus ^{(Trayus Academy)} 04:07, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
           • You definitely have a point, Trayus. Lot's of those combos would be stupid and pointless, but I have to agree with JMAS's reasoning. I think it's one of those things that need to be looked at on a case-by-case basis. People recognize "Geonosis strike team" and "Cad Bane's posse"; the "Anakin/Ahsoka Duo"...not so much. And if it feels like too much of an episode retelling, why not tweak it some until it's something that better resembles the Geonosis strike team article. Maybe we could also add that bit about Cato and Todo to the article as a "second" posse roster for a different job, incorporating the idea that the group wasn't a set thing and these same characters didn't always operate together.Bella'Mia 04:30, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
3. Dr. Kermit^(Complain.) 02:35, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
4. For reasons noted above.--Bella'Mia 04:30, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Comments

• This could redirect to Senate Hostage Crisis, if preferred. Or perhaps no redirect at all. Darth Trayus ^{(Trayus Academy)} 02:14, November 12, 2009 (UTC)