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Forums > Senate Hall archive > SH:Regarding game spoilers
As most of us know, Jedi Survivor is set to release in around two days. So, of course, EA/Respawn have sent out early review copies to a horde of notable individuals and sites on the Internet. While some of these reviews are spoiler-free, others are filled with spoilers of crucial moments in the game's story. As such, important spoilers are notably being placed on pages prior to the game's release. For example, a major and crucial spoiler was present on a character's page and linked merely to a blocked YouTube spoiler review. Several pages have already been created for the game as of today, detailing characters and locations not explicitly shown in earlier press releases. Would this not be a violation of our spoiler policy, which states "Other material. Information for other products like novels and video games may be added upon their day of release?" Some users believe that the posting of spoiler-filled early information is warranted as the reviews are permitted by LFL, EA, and Respawn, and thus I believe this has become a topic of discussion. As this policy wouldn't be able to be revised or throughly discussed by the time of the game's release on Friday, this SH is moreso attempting to prevent important spoilers from being placed on our site for future game releases, so editors can enjoy the game when it releases.
- AmazinglyCool 
(talk) (and DFaceG/Thannus who worked with me on this) 00:54, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Discussion
- On Discord I also presented the argument that, per recent precedent on Forum:CT:Phineas and Ferb, the reviews only have PERMISSION from LFL/EA/Respawn and not actual involvement from those parties, and as such should not be included. They aren't exclusive interviews or press releases, these are content creators making the reviews of their own accord. The copies being provided by LFL does not change this. With reviews there is also the chance of biases or some degree of hearsay—and in a discussion with Lewisr on Discord, the argument that some interviews could also be hearsay was made. I don't disagree with Lew and I agree that we should perhaps use more scrutiny with interviews, but this SH is not about interviews, but instead reviews. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 01:03, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- As the person who has gone through numerous YouTube videos and put information on the wiki, I am sorry. I did not know about the Spoiler policy and take full responsibility for my actions. Chipchip88 (talk) 01:06, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- You're not in trouble and this discussion has led to the conclusion that reviews are in somewhat of a gray area policy-wise. There's no clear violation here but it isn't expressly permitted by policy either. This discussion is merely how to handle reviews moving forward. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 01:07, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Per Thannus. You're not in trouble whatsoever, we just kinda want to discuss how to deal with these kinds of reviews because we don't really have policy for them, and what we do have isn't very concise. AmazinglyCool
(talk) 01:11, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- I know, but I still feel bad about my actions. The YouTube video I was using that had the whole first half of Jedi: Survivor was taken down about half an hour ago, and I didn't know because I still had the tab open. I kinda went crazy on reviews and pretty much polluted Wookieepedia with spoilers to parts of the game. I know I'm not in trouble, but I just have remorse for what I did. Chipchip88 (talk) 01:23, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- To be honest, I don't really care if we cover information post embargo lift or post release. I only care that our policies are clear about which we can do, and I think this event has shown we need to update our policies (Which was kind of a secondary point of my SH a few weeks ago.) NBDani
(they/them)Yeager's Repairs 01:41, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- To me the policy already enforce NOT authorizing the use of materials through third-parties reviewers: "In-universe information from future Star Wars products may only be added to articles once the information is released through official outlets, such as StarWars.com press releases or exclusive feature stories in outlets like Entertainment Weekly and Vanity Fair, where Lucasfilm or an official licensee is expressly providing the information.", but I admit that it could be updated (bold part) so the last part read: "This specifically disallows information that has been released through third-parties reviewers (i.e.: press outlets, Youtube, Twitch, etc.) and/or leaked through unofficial channels." NanoLuukeCloning Facility 05:34, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- I'm really not a fan of this either, though I do want to point out that we've done this in the past for games like LEGO Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga. Rsand 30 (talk) 10:45, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- I know we've done this in the past, but the point is to prevent the same thing from happening in the future AmazinglyCool
(talk) 21:55, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- I know we've done this in the past, but the point is to prevent the same thing from happening in the future AmazinglyCool
- Recently, I've been thinking about the spoiler policy and have had some questions: 1. What channels are not allowed? I like what NanoLuuke says about third-party reviewers but which ones are considered that? All the YouTube videos I went to have stated their not spoiling the game and they follow the rules. For the creator who posted the video that confirmed Kip Ostar, GameRiot said at the beginning that EA allowed him to play the game and at 8:05, after defeating Vashtan Wolfe, he didn't spoil anything regarding the story. In fact, all the creators (except for the one who's video was taken down) still have their reviews up because none of their videos spoiled the story, just showed random characters and places that don't affect the plot. Back to the question, what channels are and aren't allowed? All seem to have information that is accurate. I know the spoiler policy states that "Information for other products like novels and video games may be added upon their day of release", but there have been other YouTubers whose videos regarding characters and other places were accepted before April 26. On April 3, Star Wars Explained uploaded a video in which characters like Ashe Javi and DD-EC were confirmed. On the same day, Darth Choco uploaded a video in which the character Doma Dendra was revealed. Are these channels official or third-party reviewers? So far the only YouTube channel I know of to be official would be IGN. Would we have to go through every YouTube channel to see which ones are official and not? 2. Early Access. While majority of people have to wait until the day the product releases, some people get the chance to invest in the product early. I know this is just for game spoilers, but I think this is really for the entire spoiler policy. For example, when a movie comes out, majority of people see it on the day it releases (or after that), but some movie theaters allow people to watch the movie a day or two before it releases. So would the people who watch the movie have to wait until the next day to post what happened, or are they able to post what they saw a day early? The same goes to video games. On April 26, YouTubers posted their reviews on the games. On April 27, YouTubers livestreamed the game and other people got the game for early access and put spoilers for certain characters and plot on Wookieepedia pages. And on April 28, the game released and all information is allowed. 3. Spoilers. Or people who spoil. What happens to them? I know for the community page that there are certain places to discuss spoilers, and anything that isn't in those discussions will be deleted, but what about for Wookieepedia? On Bode Akuna's talk page, one user was angered at the fact that a large spoiler regarding the character was put on the page before the game officially released. I know many people don't like to be spoiled, and all we have to protect them from being spoiled is a template at the top of the page. So is there a better way to protect people from being spoiled, let alone not attack others after being spoiled? That's just my thoughts. There's also books, which could release early or some get early access for them, so what happens there? I also want to apologize yet again for making a big mess regarding spoilers to Jedi: Survivor. I know I'm not in trouble, but I did not want to spoil the game for others purposefully. Chipchip88 (talk) 21:27, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- 1. Per NanoLuuke, it needs to be officially-licensed and published by Lucasfilm or at the very least with their involvement. Reviews and content creators, unless explicitly an interview or a press release, are not permitted by the policy, which is unclear. There's no block on specific channels, but instead the manner in which the content is produced. 2. Spoiler policy dictates that all information regarding a game can only be revealed when a. revealed through official channels publicly or b. on the content's earliest market release date. Early access or early screenings (like Mando S3E7 being shown early at Celebration this year) are not covered. 3. This one's a bit difficult, but the best answer I can give is that the wiki uses the spoiler tags (and adheres to the spoiler policy for unreleased content) while Discussions threads are explicitly marked as containing spoilers (while also adhering to the spoiler policy as well). - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 21:50, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
