I made my initial comment (Template talk:YearMathGRS) in 2019, based on the 2018 version of that template ([1]). The reasoning is, that this whole thing kind of makes no sense to me. It is based on singular cherry picked dates, that could also easily be mistakes made by the authors, while we have solid dates given for e.g. the Capture of Coruscant, which is consistently placed in 7 ABY (42:2:27 based on The Essiantial Atlas), but which in this wiki had to be "retconned" to 6 ABY, if you would follow the logic of this template - contradicting basically every official source that claims otherwise (The Essential Chronology, The New Essential Chronology, The Essential Reader's Companion, The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, to name a few). Yet, to keep the Capture of Coruscant in 7 ABY as the sources claim, it must be so, that the BBY/ABY calendar just changes the year, while months and days compared to the Great ReSynchronization stay the same. The canon article of 0 BBY follows that exact logic, based on a source. I highly doubt that this was changed when Disney took over, but rather that this was kind of always their logic. --Modgamers (talk) 08:07, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- As the one who actually wrote the template, the reasoning is actually here, due to the Battle of Selaggis on 2:28 being considered 7 ABY and not 8 ABY. Looks like that specific detail was removed. Cade
Calrayn 22:03, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, and I argued, that this is most likely an error, because the battle is said to took place in 8 ABY as of The Essential Chronology (Hunt for Zsinj: 7,5-8 ABY, The Hapans and Dathomir Night Sisters 8 ABY), The New Essential Chronology (same subheadsers and chronology), and the novel itself (in chapter 18 it mentions Alderaan was destroyed 8 years ago, right after the battle). And I also argued - which you did not consider at all - that if it is still set in 7 ABY as of 43:2:28, then the Liberation of Coruscant (42:2:27) would be set in 6 ABY, despite the fact, that every source I know says it is set in 7 ABY - which only makes sense if there is no actuall zero-point, but just a zero-year. Like when they said year 0 is when Christ was (presumably) born, they did not shift the months and days around. Christs birthday did not become the new January 1st. They just changed the number of the year. --Modgamers (talk) 02:06, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
- You're going to need to watch the tone and stop using accusatory phrases like, "which you did not consider at all." If you have valid arguments, you can make them without being condescending. We all want to arrive at the most accurate conclusion. Master Fredcerique
(talk) (he/him) 09:33, 27 March 2023 (UTC
- You're going to need to watch the tone and stop using accusatory phrases like, "which you did not consider at all." If you have valid arguments, you can make them without being condescending. We all want to arrive at the most accurate conclusion. Master Fredcerique
- Something else to consider, the The Essential Reader's Companion places X-Wing: Solo Command, in which the Battle of Selaggis apppears, to 8 ABY. ThrawnChiss7
Assembly Cupola 13:56, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note that the TERC dates are sometimes overgeneralizing, and if a novel were to be set close to the cutoff point between one year and another, I wouldn't hold my breath on it always accurately noting that. :) Imperators II(Talk) 14:07, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, and I argued, that this is most likely an error, because the battle is said to took place in 8 ABY as of The Essential Chronology (Hunt for Zsinj: 7,5-8 ABY, The Hapans and Dathomir Night Sisters 8 ABY), The New Essential Chronology (same subheadsers and chronology), and the novel itself (in chapter 18 it mentions Alderaan was destroyed 8 years ago, right after the battle). And I also argued - which you did not consider at all - that if it is still set in 7 ABY as of 43:2:28, then the Liberation of Coruscant (42:2:27) would be set in 6 ABY, despite the fact, that every source I know says it is set in 7 ABY - which only makes sense if there is no actuall zero-point, but just a zero-year. Like when they said year 0 is when Christ was (presumably) born, they did not shift the months and days around. Christs birthday did not become the new January 1st. They just changed the number of the year. --Modgamers (talk) 02:06, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
- These points seem valid. The Liberation of Coruscant is placed in 7 ABY by The Essential Atlas, The Essential Reader's Companion, The Essential Chronology and The New Essential Chronology. The Battle of Selagis (43:2:28) and the Battle of Kuat (Hunt for Zsinj) (43:1:26) is placed in 7 ABY by The Essential Guide to Warfare, but The Essential Reader's Companion places both battles in 8 ABY. It seems like all sources don't agree with Warfare on the dating of the battle of Selagis and Kuat. I think this version aligns closer to what most sources say. ThrawnChiss7
Assembly Cupola 14:46, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
- From my understanding The New Essential Chronology on pg. XV does not say, that they shifted the days and months of the GrS calendar, when they introduced the Yavin calendar. It just refer to the years - and everything in 0 BBY is roughly the 3 month period in GrS:35 until the Battle of Yavin, while everything 0 ABY are roughly the remaining 9 month (which are extensively filled by the Imperium and Rebellion comics). I have yet to see a product which says that it's set in 0 ABY, but also 11 month after Yavin. So instead of trying to make up some strange date shifts, we should maybe come to the most obvious and logical solution, that the date in the EGW is false, no day and month shift has happend, and the more detailed GrS dates also shows us when a new year begins. And to show that EGW can be wrong on dates: it says Thrawn returned to the Empire in 9 ABY, while we know from A Grand Admiral Returns, Crisis of Faith and maybe other sources, he did so one year earlier. These things happen, these mistakes are human. Yet, to make up a whole new dating system based upon one misplaced battle is... a lot. --Modgamers (talk) 16:43, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
