Forum:CT:The Grand Inquisitor infobox image

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The result of the debate was keep the current infobox image. OOM 224 17:05, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

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Today I've been reminded by some readers of Wookieepedia about the infobox depiction of the Grand Inquisitor, for which there has been debate about the matter before. For a quick run down of the situation. The article uses the most recent depiction of the character in terms of the canon timeline, which is his animation depiction in Rebels. However, the character now has a more realistic depiction in live-action through the Kenobi show.

Arguments have obviously come about the design of the live-action Grand Inquisitor, as his head shape is not entirely accurate with the animation design or the original live-action Pau'an design. However, I don't think the general appearance dissimilar enough that displaying the live-action edition should be excused. The character still has the same face features and pretty much the same attire as well. This is also the most mainstream depiction of the Grand Inquisitor as Kenobi has had a lot more eyes on it, so more people so more people are familiar with this look. For the interest of Wookieepedia practice, a live-action depiction is generally considered favourable by precedent anyways.

So I bring three options, including two suggested images, to the table:

• Option 1 is to keep the current image used in the article. It is the most recent depiction (roughly 5 years after Kenobi), and is most in line with the original live-action Pau'an design.
• Option 2 is to use this image (added by JMAS for consideration if this vote was made) from "Part VI," which presents a good view of the live-action Grand Inquisitor with a neutral expression.
• Option 3 is to use this image from Advanced Graphics. It is a posed image of the character, and while not in a neutral expression, it has better lighting such that the eyes and face-marking colours are especially more visible.

Animation vs Live-action

This CT is to see whether or the Grand Inquisitor's article should keep its the current image or be changed to one of alternative images suggested. Braha'tok enthusiast ^{Hello there} 16:40, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Option 1

1. By far the best image available also the most accurate to how Pau'ans actually look VergenceScatter (talk) 16:45, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
2. Per VergenceScatter above. Additionally, I just like the GI's animated appearance more. Samonic 16:49, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
3. UberSoldat93 (talk) 16:50, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
4. Not a chance. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 16:56, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
5. The second option seems too dark and the third isn't a neutral expression. Rebels is the Grand Inquistor's original more prominent appearance, and the live-action version is very different (facial shape, tattoos, eye color), and is inaccurate to his Rebels depiction and overall Pau'an depictions in live-action. The Rebels image is a better image overall, and a more preferable depiction of the character. It's also worth mentioning that we have some precedence for using less realistic depictions when a character is visibly older. Rebels is chronologically later, and his different facial structure does seem to indicate aging, but that could also exemplify why his appearance in Obi-Wan Kenobi is inaccurate. Also he looks cooler. Rsand 30 (talk) 16:58, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
6. Really just the best choice tbh Fan26 (Talk) 17:01, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
7. Immi Thrax (she/her) (talk) 17:03, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
8. BloodOfIrizi (talk) 17:45, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
9. Zylum9990 (talk) 18:14, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
10. Lewisr (talk) 18:30, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
11. SaintSirNicholas (talk) 18:45, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
12. SilverSunbird (talk) 18:57, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
13. Mr Star Wars AminoRepublic (talk) 19:45, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
14. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE I AM ON MY KNEES Wok142 (talk) 22:17, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
15. Rakhsh (talk) 01:13, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
16. At some point between 9 BBY and 5 BBY, that gag from the Simpsons where the baseball player's head grows happened to the Grand Inquisitor Editoronthewiki (talk) 18:53, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
17. My God, the Rebels image is so much more Pau’an as intended. Also, chronologically later. — YakovChaimTzvi (he/him/his) (talk) 03:26, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

An alternative image

1. Per my reasoning above, and the additional points from OOM below. Braha'tok enthusiast ^{Hello there} 18:08, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
2. OOM 224 18:49, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
3. Corellian Premier^MTFBWY 18:54, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
4. NanoLuuke^{Cloning facility} 20:08, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
5. DarthRuiz30 (talk) 23:17, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
6. The "recent depiction" clause is for characters with significant changes so i dint think it applies here. The head shape IMO is as much a stylisation, similar to Dooku or Palpatine. And the look is officially endorsed. Thus the realism factor comes in with a bit more weight. Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 12:55, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
7. JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 00:07, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Choosing an alternative

This CT is to decide which of the alternative images to use, providing that the first CT is in favour of the alternative image. Braha'tok enthusiast ^{Hello there} 18:08, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Option 2

1. For my reasoning above. Braha'tok enthusiast ^{Hello there} 16:40, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
2. I've uploaded a brightened version of the image over the original file. OOM 224 13:37, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
3. While I'm not sure if I prefer LA or Animated yet, Option 2 beats Option 3. Knowing it's a standee product, I can see the 2Dness in a 3D world and it bothers me. NBDani ^{Yeager's Repairs} 13:47, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
4. This one is better. Corellian Premier^MTFBWY 16:17, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
5. Although the Rebels image is better, in the unlikely event that it isn't chosen, this is the better of the live-action images. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 18:22, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
6. Per Macaroni. Sorry Nano. Samonic 18:35, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
7. Per Macaroni, I much prefer the Rebels image, but if it comes to it then I'll go with this over the Advanced Graphics. Though I still think his eyes look hollow Rsand 30 (talk) 19:07, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
8. DarthRuiz30 (talk) 23:17, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
9. Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 12:55, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
10. JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 00:05, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
11. I swear, if the Grand Inquisitor becomes the next Thrawn in terms of infobox image wars... Fan26 (Talk) 00:31, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Option 3

1. More detailed (and realistic) than 1. More clear than 2 (the color grading is all over the place). NanoLuuke^{Cloning facility} 16:46, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

   Corellian Premier^MTFBWY 18:54, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

2. I think Option 3 is the best image for The Grand Inquistor. Jpercy 7:26, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Discuss

• Tbh, whatever one's view of what a Pau'an's head shape should be, Lucasfilm deemed it fit to depict the Grand Inquisitor as he's seen in Kenobi, so by our principle of documenting official canon, we should not be discriminating against the live action depictions based on this criterion. Yes, the head shape differs from what's established in Revenge of the Sith, a saga film, but it's Lucasfilm's choice not to follow it. I would support option 2, if not for how dark the image is currently, but once a significantly brightened version of it is uploaded I'll vote for it. OOM 224 16:58, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
  • Lucasfilm also deemed fit to depict him as they did in Rebels. There's no reason for us to say that the depiction in Kenobi overrides the depiction in Rebels so we're free to go with the one that fits best with other members of the species. VergenceScatter (talk) 17:25, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
    • LFL went through with both designs, yes. But which one is our audience going to recognise more? There has certainly been more eyes on Kenobi than Rebels. I feel that it's a service to our readers to go with what I believe is the more iconic appearance. Braha'tok enthusiast ^{Hello there} 17:32, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
      • While Kenobi might be more popular than Rebels for more casual fans, The Grand Inquisitor's most iconic appearance is Rebels, not Kenobi. Rsand 30 (talk) 17:41, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
        • adding to Rsand 30, from what I've seen across multiple social platforms from the fanbase, the Rebels appearance is not only better recognized as the face of the GA, but also better liked. BloodOfIrizi (talk) 17:45, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
    • I mean, neither Rebels nor Kenobi override the other in terms of canonicity, so they're both legitimate choices. If you just think the Rebels depiction is more aesthetically pleasing then that's fair, by all means stick with option 1. Comforming with the depiction of other Pau'ans doesn't concern me though, and with all due respect I don't see how you can tell whether the Rebels or Kenobi depiction is more "iconic" for "casual fans." In any case, I frankly don't care for recognisability. If the reader is able to learn something new then that's a win! Anyway, realism trumps. OOM 224 17:45, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
• I've voted, so you know what my opinion is. But I think a point needs to be made that realistic depictions are not always faithful ones, and the Grand Inquisitor is an excellent case in point. I also believe that this topic warrants much further discussion, since a lot of other editors seem to think that "realistic" depictions (whether it be art style or live-action) trumps everything else, regardless of the actual quality of said depiction. SilverSunbird (talk) 00:29, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
  • Further discussion very much needed down the line, yeah. I should point out that one of the reasons for preferring "realistic" images is because realism is an objective metric, whereas "quality" or "faithful" are more subjective, but regardless I see your point. OOM 224 08:11, 28 August 2022 (UTC)