Forum:CT:Scroll boxes

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The result of the discussion was "Use them". —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 21:02, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

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There are several articles that have many appearances and I was under the impression that we were still using the scroll boxes but whenever I add one, one of our good friends deletes it so do we use them or not? Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 18:55, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Use them

Use Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 18:55, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Ozzel 15:45, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes. -Finlayson 16:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Havac 20:25, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't see how they could hurt anyone. If the code it is written under is stable (does not crash people's machines or uninstalls Windows), it could remain. If we do decide to keep them, we should also reach an agreement on after how many sources/appearances we should use these boxes. TopAce 18:42, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Mir len 00:20, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
The problem can be fixed. -- beeurd ^talk 23:14, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Jack's problem with the boxes has been solved. Jaina Solo^{(Goddess Stuff)} 01:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
If they work properly now, then yes. Green tentacle 10:48, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
~~Ah, what the heck. As long as they work for me now, I'm fine with them. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 21:15, 28 September 2006 (UTC)~~
-- I need a name 21:56, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Sentry^Talk 21:58, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Support, now that they're working for everyone (even if not everyone likes them aesthetically). jSarek 07:28, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Bonko 16:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Obviously, since I introduced them. :) —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 21:45, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
--Eyrezer 08:46, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Do not use them

So far, I might be the only user that is having problems with them, but still, they shouldn't be used since I (and possibly others) am having problems with them. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 22:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
As much as they shorten article space, it sometimes leaks into words and stuff and messes up the bottom portion of the article. like Gamorrean. It isn't how they look, for it's nicer if othrers, who don't share the privlige of using them for some odd reason (Jack and possible others) , I feel they can be left out, or add arows to them for the non-scroller(s). Jabbathehuttgartogg 23:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
They work fine for me, but if a sizable majority has insoluble problems, it's best we leave them off. —Silly Dan _(talk) 22:24, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
~~Ditto. Jaina Solo^{(Goddess Stuff)} 22:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)~~
It's ugly and unreliable. - Sikon 09:44, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Changing my vote again. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:41, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I just plain do not like the way they look. - breathesgelatin^Talk 07:11, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
No. Atarumaster88 ^{(Audience Chamber)} 05:19, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Neutral

Neutral - The fact that they look cool is countered by their inconvenience. Cheers, Relentless Recusant 23:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Personally, I'm not a fan about them. There's something about them that makes it look awkward. Maybe if the corners weren't rounded and were just plain sharp corners. --Redemption^Talk 00:39, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

that is the one problem i have with them also. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 00:42, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I can easily removed the rounded corners. I just kept it because it was part of Jaymach's original code. In fact, I think that the box looks better without a border around it (see my user page).–Sentry^Talk 01:04, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- it would fit better within the article if they were sharp corners, however they need to be used either way. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 02:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
  - If the problem can be fixed, yes. If not, no.--Darth Oblivion^Comlink 19:00, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

~~While the problem is now fixed, I still don't like them. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 01:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)~~

Well first of all thank you beeurd for fixing them and now can we use them Jack? Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks

Not until the vote is decided. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 01:26, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Well lets see there are three no's that will become yes's since the one problem has been fixed and seven yes's, as of now. so it seems to me that it is decided. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 01:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Correction, two nos, I'm nutrial, I'd go with or without'em. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg^{(Rancor pit)} 01:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm quite neutral about this, but if we do decide to use the scroll boxes, we also need to decide when an appearance list becomes long enough to warrant one. For example, Ugluk added a scroll box in the Exar Kun article, but I don't think one is needed with a list of that size (so I changed it back, see here). Sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes. --Tinwe 11:57, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

when it has enough appearances to occupy an entire page, its necessary. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks^{Whine Here} 22:39, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Comments

Better to use scroll boxes than using a List page with major Appearances in the article. What is a major appearance can be a bit vague in some cases. -Finlayson 16:52, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Exactly they are absolutely necessary but a certain user likes to vandalize pages by reverting them. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 21:48, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Scrollboxes aren't absolutely necessary. They are however much simplier than using List pages. I wouldn't all that vandalism. -Finlayson 20:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I urge the community to vote against the use of this template and remove any you see. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 22:41, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
- In response to the good Admirals statement: some articles have over a page of apearances and NEED the scroll box. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 22:43, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
  - That's what the "List of (article name) appearances" articles are (or, at least, were) for. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 22:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
    - As a compromise, we could simply embed the 'list of appearance' pages inside a scroll box in the main article and then provide a link to the list page for those who have trouble with the template.–Sentry^Talk 20:46, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
I saw no problems with the scoll box on the Gamorrean article. -- Ozzel 17:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
- better yet where is the scroll box in the gamorrean article? Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 00:24, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps the main task should be trying to figure out *why* the scroll boxes are giving Nebulax and Jabbathehuttgartogg trouble. If the issues are repairable, then we can proceed without worrying about leaving people behind. jSarek 07:44, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
- Jabbathehuttgartogg isnt having trouble wiht them; he just voted no because jack "is". i dont see what the problem is, occasionally the down arrow doesnt work but that happens on regular ones also and a simply refresh fixes it. also jack is the only one who has reported trouble. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 04:57, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
The scroll box on Gamorrean was removed; I meant that it looked fine on the previous version. -- Ozzel 05:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- While I may be the only one having trouble, what if one or more people who join have problems? We can't just have scroll boxes over Wookieepedia when some might be having problems with them. That would be completely unfair. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 00:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
UNTRUE. On my monitor the scroll box was scrambling up the Gamorrean sources. The essential guide and another book's title was off to the side and fading in with the scroll box. Check the history right before I removed it. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg^{(Rancor pit)} 00:40, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- I have not been able to recreate that bug. My guess is that it has something to do with your browser and/or desktop resolution.–Sentry^Talk 00:54, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
  - Well, I've tried pretty much everything. I got this desktop not too long ago, so it can't be that. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 00:55, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
    - If it ends up working anytime soon, I'll make sure to let everyone know, though. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 00:55, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- Okay, now that I've found the right spot, I do get that same error. For the record, I'm using Firefox 1.5.0.7 and running at a resolution of 1280 x 1024. jSarek 03:20, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Same here. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg^{(Rancor pit)} 10:09, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- It's something with firefox, Internet explorer's gamorrean scroll is OK. I checked. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg^{(Rancor pit)} 10:12, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
  - The Gamorrean article works perfectly fine for me. I'm using Firefox 1.5.0.7 with a screen resolution of 1024 x 768. -- I need a name 18:58, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
    - Ditto.–Sentry^Talk 20:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, for those of you who aren't Jabbathehuttgartogg or me, here's what it looks like. jSarek 22:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- Tried it on my other computer, which is 1400x1050, and it is messed up. So I guess that anything over 1024x768 is having problems? -- Ozzel 22:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I just had a look. The reason it is doing that is because the scrollbox automatically moves itself so it is desplayed BELOW the right-floated image in the section above. As the scrollbox itself was floated to the left, it moved itself below the non-floating header for the the Sources section, therefore pushing all the content for that section out of the way. I edited Template:Scroll box to remove the "float:left" style command, so it should work better now. The only problem now is that if a floated image decends into the section containing the scroll box, the whole page is moved down to clear that image, and you get a gap at the top of the scrollbox. You should now be able to see that in the previous edit of that Gamorrean article [1]. -- beeurd ^talk 23:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- So basically, don't stick pictures next to the scrollboxes and we should be fine? Sounds good enough to me. Havac 23:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Same here. It looks fine now. Thanks. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg^{(Rancor pit)} 23:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- There we go. Good job; thanks, beeurd. Now, we just have to unlock the reason that the scroll boxes don't work for Jack and anyone with similar problems, and we're ready to go. jSarek 23:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
  - I hate to say it but i doutb it can be fixed if a problem really exists. he says he is running the latest IE configuration with an 1152 x 864 resolution. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 00:31, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
    - I don't believe it—They don't work again. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 01:27, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
      - Seriously? :( -- beeurd ^talk 02:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
OMIGOD. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg^{(Rancor pit)} 01:31, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- WHAT! ok now how can they work five seconds ago and not now? Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 01:34, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
  - It only worked on my talk page. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 17:26, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
    - What's wrong with them for you? -- beeurd ^talk 18:07, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
      - Try the new one on the Gammorean page. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 23:13, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
        Still not working. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 00:09, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
        While I personally like the idea of using scrollboxes for long appearances lists, I do agree with the Admiral that if they're causing problems for people, and we can't figure out why, we shouldn't use them. - Angel Blue 451^(Holonet) 00:14, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
        How could it work on his userpage but not anyplace else. if you dont mind my saying so, i smell a big, sweaty rat . Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks
        Test it with him on talk pages. Mabey he can only use them on there, or it's the code you typed in on his scroll. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg^{(Rancor pit)} 01:03, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
        It only worked on my talk page. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 11:28, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
        Can you post a screenshot of your problem? It's hard to fix something when I don't know what it is. If it is still the same problem that I already fixed, then perhaps your browser has the old version stuck in the cache for some reason. You could try going to a page it's not working on and holding "Shift" and pressing the refresh button on your browser. -- beeurd ^talk 13:14, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
        Or he could get off of his shine box and admit that he is A) lieing and B) they work fine and always has and he is just doing it because he can. —Unsigned comment by 68.79.195.100 (talk • contribs)
        I am not lying, anon. And beeurd, I'm not good with uploading images, but I will try your suggest later, because I have to get off now. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 21:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
        Okay, they work now. Thanks for the tip, beeurd. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 21:15, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
        No problem, glad to help. -- beeurd ^talk 01:08, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
So can we end this and just friggin use them? 68.79.195.100 21:30, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- First an administrator must end the vote. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 21:31, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
  - Due to all the cross-outs, should we restart this? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:41, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
    - Why restart?–Sentry^Talk 20:45, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
      - IT has been pretty well decided that we are using them now ,so there should be a new one deciding how many appearances/sources an article needs in order to get a scroll box. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 23:20, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
        I think that more users need to add their opinions in before we can say for sure. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 00:40, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
        But if they all said no it would be alright, right? Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 01:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
        Is anoyone still having problems with them? -- beeurd ^talk 13:35, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
        Ugluk, I could care less if the rest of Wookieepedia voted to use them. Personally, I think they look unencyclopedic. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 18:38, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
        How so? BTW, I'm not argueing the point, I'm just interested as to why you think that. -- beeurd ^talk 18:59, 1 October 2006 (UTC)