Forum:CT:Official Wookieepedia Skin: Monobook

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The result of the debate was Item 1: No consensus; Item 2: Adopt; Item 3.1: Adopt; Item 3.2: Adopt; Item 3.3: No consensus. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:38, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

So, now that we've had some time to get used to hating the new skin, I have a proposal.

We can't set our skin default to anything other than the Wikiabomination, the insult to the Gallagher family (and I don't even like Oasis), the "new look" (said with the same degree of respect as the phrase "new Coke"). But as far as I can tell, there's no rule saying we can't make Monobook the official recommendation of the Wookieepedia community. And if there is one I didn't find, fuck 'em. Wikia brought rebellion upon themselves.

I propose the following:

  1. To the layout guide under the images heading, add the bullet point:
    • The formatting of a page under any skin other than Monobook is not a concern in the placement of images and may not be objected to on article status nominations.
  2. To the {{W}} template add the sentence:
    • For an optimal viewing experience, Wookieepedia recommends using the Monobook skin. For help changing your skin preferences, see Help:Skin.
  3. Placing similar recommendations on any appropriate help or policy page, as discussed below.
    1. Add a disclaimer on the main page to match item 2. (Item added 11/15/10 for separate vote.)
    2. Add a notice visible only on the new skin to match item 2. The implementation of this will be based on technical feasibility once the community approves the concept. (Item added 11/15/10 for separate vote.)
    3. In all site messages, policies, and discussions that must refer to MediaWiki skins by name and are editable by local users or admins, we will no longer call the new skin "Oasis," "Wikia," or "New Look." We will universally refer to it as "Derp," or the "Derp skin." (Item added 12/1/10 for separate vote.)

Any further ideas for eschewing the "new look" are welcome. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 19:35, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Voting

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The result of the debate was No consensus. Layout Guide will remain unchanged. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:05, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Item 1

Adopt

  1. Darth Culator (Talk) 19:35, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  2. OLIOSTER (talk) 19:37, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  3. 1358 (Talk) 19:41, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
    JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 19:41, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:48, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
    Master Jonathan New Jedi Order (Jedi Council Chambers) 19:58, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Green Tentacle (Talk) 20:05, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  6. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 20:05, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
    Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 20:18, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 20:27, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Xicer9Atgar(Combadge) 20:38, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Could not agree more strongly. Chack Jadson (Talk) 21:04, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
    Go consensus! NAYAYEN 10:19, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 17:08, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
    To counter JSarek's objection, we could just state on the main page or in the sitenotice (or by any other means) that the site is best viewed in the MonoBook skin, and that an account is required to view this. Tell 'em it's free and easy to make. If they really care about viewing the site, they'll make an account. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 17:30, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
  11. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 21:21, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
  12. CC7567 (talk) 07:12, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
  13. DarthRageLeave a message after the beep
  14. Frankly I preferred Monaco, but with its removal, this is the best alternative. Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith -Just shy, not antisocial: You can talk to me!- 16:32, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Darth Karikawill destroy your planet! 16:48, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
  16. This is my way at getting back at Sony for the NGE... a wholly inappropriate way. DD97Which bear is best? 22:06, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
  17. JangFett (Talk) 05:26, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
  18. They're going to keep coming up with new models and screwing things up for us over and over and over again ad nauseam. We should remain solid, not spending time and energy changing things to make it look good with their endless progression of revamps until they take Monobook away and we are out of options. Until then it's just as simple to inform our audience. Graestan(Talk) 06:16, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
  19. I was undecided until reading Graestan's comment. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 10:42, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
  20. Holocron Greatholocron (Complain) 06:01, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
  21. It's just not worth trying to scramble to adapt to Wikia's latest mess. We can make tweaks if we like, but the fact that Wikia's inflicted a shitty default skin on us should not be determinative of what we're allowed to do. Havac 09:54, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Objecting that images are placed weird, by and large, is a silly objection anyway because it's heavily contingent on monitor resolution as well as the skin. Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Talk page) 17:30, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
  23. Trak Nar Ramble on 05:03, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Do not adopt

  1. We need to make at least some effort to be appealing to unregistered users, or else they'll never be given reason to register and see how much better we are when a decent skin is in use. jSarek 02:18, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
  2. While I hate the new skin and use Monobook myself, I think it would be unwise to completely disregard those who view this site as a quick reading material and source of quick background information. If we can find a way to at least make the Wikia standard layout look decent I say we should take the extra time and do it. Agent Cards <<Talk!>> 10:26, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
    • The problem here is that the image placement depends on content area width, which we are not allowed to adjust. We might be able to make the overall look decent, but expanding content width is a no-no according to Wikia's terms of use. 1358 (Talk) 13:20, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
      • And all who has screen small enough faces the same thing with Monobook too, so pointing fingers at the new skin only isn't all-saving. But yes the new skin forces all anons to have narrow content space, which makes it valid point to be taken into account, if not highly weighted. –Tm_T (Talk) 13:36, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
  3. I agree 100% with the proposal in principle, but we do need to be cognizant of anon or new users who haven't switched. Right now it reads that we're just not going to care at all, instead of simply optimizing for Monobook. This also precludes any other changes that Wikia might make, such as adding a new skin that is actually decent. Also, keep the wikilawyering elsewhere. That's why we have a discussion area. — Fiolli 14:31, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
  4. After rethinking this, jSarek, Agent Cards, and Fiolli have a valid point that can't be overlooked. We do need to consider the casual reader who, without an account, doesn't have the option to use Monobook. Master Jonathan New Jedi Order (Jedi Council Chambers) 16:47, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Jinzler 17:12, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
  6. I have been convinced that it's worth the time and effort to make this site look good in both skins. It may make things a little more difficult, but we can blame Wikia for that. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 17:21, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
  7. I have to side with the noobs here. There are MANY more people that visit Wookieepedia instead of edit it. I leave this to the majority of actual readers, not us few editors. I will say however that the Wikia skin is a piece of shit. :) -- Riffsyphon1024 08:21, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Per my points of not supporting just certain screen (and/or content view) sizes without proper and thorough community discussion, and all above, we ought to do our best with what we got. (: –Tm_T (Talk) 18:42, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
  9. We're here to cater for readers, not just ourselves. To me, "not a concern" just sounds too much like "we don't care what you think." Ironically, that's what Wikia says to its users. :P SoresuMakashi(Everything I tell you is the truth) 07:33, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Wookieepedia's audience isn't just other editors. —Silly Dan (talk) 12:37, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  11. When it gets right down to it, utilizing item 1 would essentially be blackmailing people onto Monobook. We should be able to persuade people to switch to it anyway. Plus, this avoids the trolls (unregistered or otherwise) from saying "OMGGG WAI DOSENT IT LOOK RITE!!!11!! YOUR SUCH ASSES!!! I HATE WIKIA LOOOOL" because they will never be able to see that box in the corner saying "Switch to Monobook to view the wiki properly". NAYAYEN 13:20, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Having thought long and hard about this point, I have to agree. - JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 13:27, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  13. I need a name (Complain here) 13:32, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  14. We do what we do for everyone, not for just ourselves. Menkooroo 06:11, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
  15. I've been swayed. Yes, Wikia will keep coming up with new, dumb ideas, and we can hate these ideas, but we can't act like they don't exist. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 07:31, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
  16. I have started to get used to this new look and I can't stand Monobook. Also, there are softer means to rebell against Wikia. Like moving to somewhere we can use Monaco. But that's just my opinion. Lele Mj Green Squadron (Holoprojetor) 12:21, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
  17. nobody should be obligated to make an account just to view the wiki properly. ASDF1239Chiss Ascendancy-DISCUSSION- 14:56, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Sticking your heads in the sand is a selfish solution. SinisterSamurai 02:40, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Add the following statement to {{W}}: For an optimal viewing experience, Wookieepedia recommends using the Monobook skin. For help changing your skin preferences, see Help:Skin. Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:58, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Item 2

Adopt

  1. Darth Culator (Talk) 19:35, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  2. OLIOSTER (talk) 19:37, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  3. 1358 (Talk) 19:41, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  4. JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 19:41, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:48, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Though I should note that Step 3 on Help:Skin needs to be updated, as skin choices are now on the user profile tab under that avatar section instead of on their own skin tab in preferences. And don't forget MediaWiki:Welcome-message-user also; the last five edits to {{W}} haven't been put on MediaWiki:Welcome-message-user. Master Jonathan New Jedi Order (Jedi Council Chambers) 19:58, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Green Tentacle (Talk) 20:05, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  8. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 20:05, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 20:18, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 20:27, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Xicer9Atgar(Combadge) 20:38, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Wikia has negative common sense. Chack Jadson (Talk) 21:04, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  13. Absolutely. jSarek 02:18, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
  14. —Xwing328(Talk) 04:34, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
  15. NAYAYEN 10:19, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
  16. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 17:08, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
  17. –Tm_T (Talk) 17:16, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
  18. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 17:30, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
  19. Put it in BOLD. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 21:21, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
  20. CC7567 (talk) 07:12, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Agent Cards <<Talk!>> 10:26, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Absolutely! — Fiolli 14:31, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
  23. DarthRageLeave a message after the beep
  24. Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith -Just shy, not antisocial: You can talk to me!- 16:32, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
  25. Harrumph! DD97Which bear is best? 22:07, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
  26. JangFett (Talk) 05:26, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
  27. Graestan(Talk) 06:16, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
  28. Well, duh! -- Riffsyphon1024 08:21, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
  29. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 10:42, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
  30. --Loneshark1138 Incom (Talk) 13:17, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
  31. SoresuMakashi(Everything I tell you is a lie) 07:33, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  32. Why make it a mere suggestion? Like using one's turn signal, Monobook should be required by law. Trak Nar Ramble on 07:39, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  33. I need a name (Complain here) 13:32, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  34. Holocron Greatholocron (Complain) 06:01, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
  35. I see this is a critical vote. Havac 09:54, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
  36. Wikia keeps coming up with crappy skin ideas and implementing them, so here's a massive "screw you" right back. Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Talk page) 17:30, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
  37. —Jedi Kasra (comlink) 01:11, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Do not adopt

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The result of the debate was Add the following statement to Main Page: For an optimal viewing experience, Wookieepedia recommends using the Monobook skin. For help changing your skin preferences, see Help:Skin. Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:58, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Item 3.1

Adopt

  1. Darth Culator (Talk) 14:54, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  2. NAYAYEN 16:08, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  3. 1358 (Talk) 16:46, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  4. I don't have a problem with a Main Page disclaimer saying that the site has been optimized for Monobook, using what we have in item 2. — Fiolli 16:58, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Master Jonathan New Jedi Order (Jedi Council Chambers) 03:39, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  6. jSarek 03:55, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  7. JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 04:22, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  8. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 04:54, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  9. CC7567 (talk) 06:16, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 15:18, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Xicer9Atgar(Combadge) 15:29, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  12. As long as it's not distruptive. –Tm_T (Talk) 16:56, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  13. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:27, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
  14. SoresuMakashi(Everything I tell you is the truth) 03:24, November 19, 2010 (UTC)
  15. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 16:18, November 19, 2010 (UTC)
  16. Havac 09:54, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
  17. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 15:08, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Holocron Greatholocron (Complain) 04:44, November 26, 2010 (UTC)
  19. DarthRageLeave a message after the beep17:40, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
  20. Providing it's done in the form of "This website is best viewed in [browser]/[resolution]/[skin]". -- I need a name (Complain here) 17:56, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Per INAN. Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Talk page) 17:31, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Green Tentacle (Talk) 19:05, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
  23. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 19:15, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Do not adopt

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The result of the debate was Add the following notice visible only on the new skin, based on technical feasibility: For an optimal viewing experience, Wookieepedia recommends using the Monobook skin. For help changing your skin preferences, see Help:Skin. Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:58, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Item 3.2

Adopt

  1. Darth Culator (Talk) 14:54, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  2. This is probably more important than the main page one as most views will likely come from people googling the subject matter and having us come up as the first hit so that they go straight to the article. NAYAYEN 16:08, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  3. 1358 (Talk) 16:46, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Per Nayayen. Master Jonathan New Jedi Order (Jedi Council Chambers) 03:40, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  5. No, seriously, we're not kidding. You're not viewing properly. Sign in, change skin, or miss out. jSarek 03:55, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  6. JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 04:22, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  7. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 04:52, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  8. CC7567 (talk) 06:16, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Xicer9Atgar(Combadge) 14:58, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 15:18, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:27, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Holocron Greatholocron (Complain) 06:01, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
  13. As long as it isn't so prominent that it damages the experience of people who consciously choose to use the new skin. SoresuMakashi(Everything I tell you is the truth) 03:26, November 19, 2010 (UTC)
  14. They deserve to know that they're missing out. Havac 09:54, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
  15. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 15:09, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
  16. DD97Which bear is best? 22:47, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
  17. Wikia keeps coming up with crappy skin ideas and implementing them, so here's a massive "screw you" right back. We should be able to point users to the best viewing experience and if they're hopping over on a Google search or whatever, they're not necessarily going to hit the main page. Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Talk page) 17:32, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 19:15, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Do not adopt

  1. I absolutely do not like this, however. A sitenotice, which from what I've been told is not dismissible, for a particular skin is badgering and basically screams of "you're not viewing properly, sign in, change skin, or miss out." If a main page disclaimer and welcome message remark encouraging people to switch isn't enough, then maybe they would want to use the new skin. Having this perpetual thing at the top of each page that cannot be eliminated, as Darthipedia did, as long as the 'new skin' is employed is ridiculous. — Fiolli 16:58, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
    • If you're thinking of the community corner notification thing that has officially replaced the sitenotice in Oasis then you have been misinformed. It disappears after 24 hours have passed since the edit to the "Community Corner" or when the user dismisses it for themselves. A method of a permanent, but dismissable, message (more akin in function to the regular sitenotice) that would only appear on the new skin is what is proposed, I believe. Something in a less jarring color, as well including as the aforementioned dismissability (it's a word really :P), than the current Oasis preview warning would be suitable in my opinion. I don't think it would be of the same scale as what Darthipedia had at any rate. NAYAYEN 19:57, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
      • My point stands. And, please stop wiki-lawyering in the voting area. — Fiolli 22:33, November 20, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Per Fiolli, I have to say no unless we have clear decision to make it dismissable and undistruptive. We are supposed to encourage people instead of doing new skin user witch-hunt. –Tm_T (Talk) 16:56, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Eh, too far. A message on the main page should be enough. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 16:20, November 19, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Sorry guys. I have to disagree on adding this per Fiolli, NaruHina, and Tm_T. DarthRageLeave a message after the beep17:40, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Voting against this until someone gives an example of what it would look like. Otherwise, it could be used to justify having the words "SWITCH TO MONOBOOK!" flashing in huge, red letters everywhere. -- I need a name (Complain here) 17:56, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
    • My vote only stays "adopt" if this message is dismissable and not overused. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 17:40, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was No consensus to adopt "Derp" name. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:38, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Item 3.3

Adopt

  1. Darth Culator (Talk) 23:15, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
  2. This will help avoid confusing conversations such as "Wikia sucks." "The skin or the company?" "Both." -- I need a name (Complain here) 23:30, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:32, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
    Berks! NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 02:37, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 02:59, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
    CC7567 (talk) 03:25, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
  5. You know what? I honestly don't give a damn if you think this makes me look like a "passive-aggressive prat." This is just way too hilarious to pass up. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 14:39, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Derpity derp. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 17:33, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
  7. ASDF1239Chiss Ascendancy-DISCUSSION- 14:55, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
  8. I got the joke! Graestan(Talk) 07:24, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Do not adopt

  1. Sorry to be a wet blanket, but this terminology is in no way helpful to our readers or our relationship with Wikia, whom, for better or for worse, we will continue to be working with for the foreseeable future. Either we grow up and accept the fact that we're going to get the raw end of the deal when Wikia has to choose between their content creators and their advertisers, or we should move somewhere else with all of the negative consequences that such a move entails. Being a collective of passive-aggressive prats helps no one, particularly not us. jSarek 03:43, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
  2. As much as I want to support this one, I have to agree jSarek. We should at least appear professional towards our evil overlord. OLIOSTER (talk) 03:51, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
    • I honestly believe this terminology accurately reflects the level of discourse Wikia encourages and the level of professionalism that the skin conveys. Wikia has to live with the consequences they bring upon themselves, just like everyone. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 03:52, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
  3. I have to go with jSarek here. No-one likes the new skin, but I feel that this is both unnecessary and uncalled for. SoresuMakashi(Everything I tell you is a lie) 03:57, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Even though, according to the top of the page, this item was accepted and thus my vote won't make a lick of difference anyway, calling it the "Derp skin" is childish. Trak Nar Ramble on 05:05, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Entirely per jSarek and Soresu. The rest of the suggestions above are fine, but this just goes too far IMO. Master Jonathan New Jedi Order (Jedi Council Chambers) 05:47, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
  6. If only, if only... NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 06:15, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
  7. NAYAYEN 06:49, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Per all above. Menkooroo 07:31, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
  9. …or maybe not. 1358 (Talk) 14:45, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Jinzler 22:49, December 3, 2010 (UTC)
  11. People who haven't been following Wikia for years and/or don't watch South Park will have no idea what you're talking about. —Silly Dan (talk) 15:49, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
  12. I'm not going to even justify this with a reason. — Fiolli 05:07, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
  13. I hate Wikia as much as the next guy, but really... Chack Jadson (Talk) 02:35, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
  14. But but, it's not bleh! It's teh awesomeness (not really) wrapped into the horrors. I mean, no to mess with the naming even further, it's hard enough already. –Tm_T (Talk) 09:13, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Per all of the above. I do think that the new skin sucks and should be replaced, buyt regulating how we call it is way too drastic.--ID-21 Dolphin DolphinJedi(Talk) 03:40, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

  • Regarding point 3, we really should have that warning (in a more abbreviated form, if possible) right on the Main Page, too. Possibly on *every* page, if we still have the power to do that in New Coke Look. jSarek 02:18, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
  • In overall, we should aim in page formatting and layouting to a style that works with wide and narrow views. I'm having 240px ... 1240 px range for content view depending on which device I'm on, and rarely seen any problems thus far, wouldn't mind having this written as recommendation. This is one reason why I'm not sure if point 1 in its current form is something I would support rightaway, as it suggests that only users with screens wide enough are "supported". (: –Tm_T (Talk) 17:15, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
  • Regarding point 3, placing a disclaimer on the main page sounds too extreme to me. Where on the page do you propose this disclaimer should go? And how large will it be? Holocron Greatholocron (Complain) 06:01, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
  • How's this for an idea about the notification as per 3.2 (you need to log out to see it happen)? It's in Spanish though, which means we have to give Grunny/Culator/[whichever admin adds it in] a dictionary :P Seriously though, it even has an option (which the user has to click on) that sets a cookie on the user's computer which essentially adds ?useskin=monobook to the end of the url whenever they visit the site using Wikia. This last thing is especially good as it means they don't have to create an account, as far as I can discern. It shouldn't be a problem with Wikia TOU as the user has to actively click on things to change the skin, although if it is, we'll just have to suffice with the notification (pretty much the same as a talk page one on Oasis). NAYAYEN 15:11, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
    • Ooooo. I like that. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 23:15, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
      • I'd wholeheartedly support doing this. It is discrete, yet present, and it allows us to essentially have something that gets around the fact that Monobook cannot be made an official skin for anons. This gives at least something for people to use. If this was put forth as part of the proposal, I'd very strongly support it (unless some childish wording was used for the button). — Fiolli 18:57, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

Some admin can close the sections that are 14 days old. I would prefer not to do it myself just as a matter of protocol. Not that I can't, strictly speaking, but I'd like to be totally above board. Sections from 3.3 onward can remain open as we develop new ways to give Wikia the finger. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 23:15, December 1, 2010 (UTC)