Wookieepedia:Votes for deletion/User:WhiteBoy/Kuralyov

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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was no consensus on either deletion or deletability. —Silly Dan (talk) 18:55, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:WhiteBoy/Kuralyov

Keep

  1. Riffsyphon1024 02:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  2. Keep. My reasoning is on the belowlinked page. jSarek 02:31, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  3. There are three levels of bad here. 1 - the content that WhiteBoy brought up about Kuralyov. 2 - the fact that the page exsists. 3 - that we are putting up a users own subpage for deletion. .... 04:21, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  4. LtNOWIS 06:14, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
  5. As Atarumaster said, I'm not so sure about the legality of an user subpage for deletion. Peace. Out. Moff Phoenix (Mofference) (Don't feed the trolls) Era-njo 20:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
  6. Keep. I'll comment below. WhiteBoy 21:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
  7. – Aidje talk 04:59, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  8. Rodtheanimegod4ever 05:55, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Delete

  1. Kuralyov 01:52, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  2. —Silly Dan (talk) 02:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  3. QuentinGeorge 02:56, 11 November 2006 (UTC) - Come on guys, this is terrible. Surely matters like this can be raised privately.
  4. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 03:04, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  5. Make a formal page where allegations of abuse can be made against ALL admins. --Azizlight 09:10, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  6. StarNeptuneTalk to me! 11:32, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  7. Per Azizlight. Green Tentacle (Talk) 12:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Comments

  • Arguments put forward towards deleting this can be seen near the bottom of Forum:(NSFW) Encyclop*dia Dramatica article on us|this page. Kuralyov 01:52, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Are we allowed to delete another user's subpage? Cause this is kind of a gray area for me (even though a strongly renounce that following). -- SFH 02:14, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  • It's his usersubpage that is only for him to do his job, and that is monitor any and all instances of problems on the wiki. If you feel that he has wronged you, it is probably not intentional, but he's only doing his job as Bureaucrat by taking note of things. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
    • We both know that's bullshit. Kuralyov 02:21, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Then I can't speak on his behalf. He'll have to defend his reasoning for creating the page in the first page when he becomes available. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:25, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Basically it is exactly as Riff said. It was intended to be semi-public and semi-private. Private in that it was in an out-of-the-way place (I don't even have a link to it on my user page) that would not draw much attention, which I didn't want given the nature of the page. Public in that I wanted a place where others, if they knew about the page, could add comments. I'm sorry if you find this page offensive, and as Riff said it is not intentional. It is simply my way of keeping track of alledged admin abuse. (Feel free to defend yourself on the same page.) I'm not singling Kuralyov out because I would have a page for Riff if I'd received legit complaints about him, too; but the truth is I have no other tracking pages (that I can remember, anyway) because I have received no other legit complaints about another admin. FWIW, I have received several more complaints than those on the page because I always give an admin the benefit of a doubt. I will point out that most of the items on there have been added by people other than myself. WhiteBoy 22:42, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
  • We should allow discussion of the actions of admins or other users, but I don't think a bureaucrat's user subpage dedicated to a single admin's actions is the best way to go about it. And I say this having disagreed with Kuralyov on several occasions. —Silly Dan (talk) 02:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
    • If Kuralyov removes that statement from his user page accusing me of infecting his computer with a virus, I'll vote to delete this as well. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 02:57, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
    • That may be better, but as I said above I wanted this to be less public because I didn't want to "smear" anyone. WhiteBoy 22:42, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Uh, I'm leaning toward a delete, but I would still like to know if we are allowed to delete another user's subpage without his consent. I'll admit, Kuralyov can be a little...testy...but this going a bit far. Hell, even I can get a little pissy at about what's going on here sometimes. Sometimes, people just have a bad day. We shouldn't profile them for it. And he is our top editor, so that should count for something. Also, still waiting for an answer on yes or no if we have the authority to delete. -- SFH 03:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Yet he did say this: "My computer got hit with a virus which I am sure has nothing to do with the threast I recieved from such SWW luminaries as Razzy and Nebulax just prior to it. So I don't know how long it'll be before I'm back online, and when I do, they had better watch out." Not only did he falsely accuse me of something, he threatened me and Razzy with a ban just because his computer got a virus. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 03:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Can we even delete this page?

Since it's an admin's subpage, I think WhiteBoy can delete it at will even if we vote to keep, and any consensus for deletion here would be at most a request that he delete it. —Silly Dan (talk) 04:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

  • As we have no set policy for deleting user subpages, I see no reason to treat this an differently from any other VFD. Kuralyov 04:25, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Quite frankly, this is more disgusting than the content. I don't see why or how we should be able to do this. .... 07:15, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Voting to delete a user subpage? I'm not sure about this at all. Is that legal? Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Audience Chamber) 07:22, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
        • Simply ask him to keep the contents of the page on his computer privately and I see no reason why he wouldn't comply. Havac 20:41, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
          • That's fine except others would not be able to add to it. Maybe we should protect the page so only admins can add to it? WhiteBoy 22:42, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I pretty much agree with Kuralyov on this point. Of course a user's page and subpages are not held to the same standard (e.g. canon requirements, MOS, etc.) and should in general be considered a user's workspace. As such, user pages should be very loose and very flexible. But ultimately, if a page is detrimental to the wiki, we can and should get rid of it. Of course, I don't think this page falls under "detrimental to the wiki." Using a subpage to plot the assassination of an author, for example, would be. WhiteBoy 22:42, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
      • There are plenty of ways for people to contact you to bring up any further complaints without needing the page to be editable. Havac 19:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, here are my thoughts on the matter, elaborated on from the above forum post. I don't think it's wrong for this page to exist; in fact, I think all admins and bureaucrats ought to have pages like this, freely editable by registered users. We *should* be publicly scrutinized, and it's far better for this kind of debate to be out in the open than for it to be subject to the vagaries of back-channel politicking. If it gives trolls red meat, so be it; it's still better to hand this kind of stuff to the trolls than it is to keep it in smoke-filled chatrooms away from public view. As I said in the forum, "If we can't stand the heat of public oversight, we should get out of the kitchen of adminship." jSarek 08:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

  • jSarek is right (as usual). The idea has come up many times before, but I think we really need to propose a formal method of reporting alleged abuses of adminship. Perhaps make a formal version of User:WhiteBoy/Kuralyov, but instead of singling out one admin, have a subheading for every admin. It lets everyone know what's going on, and also gives the alleged admin a chance to defend his/her actions. --Azizlight 08:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Sounds like a great idea, jSarek, and I'd be glad to move the page to a more official page. WhiteBoy 18:44, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes, make it public where we're all graded. -- Riffsyphon1024 18:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
    • That sounds like a good alternative. -- Ozzel 20:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)