Wookieepedia:Votes for deletion/Ahto City East

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The result of the debate was merge the listed articles into Ahto City; this may be used as a precedent for other KOTOR area articles. - Sikon 07:47, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

Ahto City East (talk - history - links - logs)

Not really a vote for deletion, but a vote for merging. We've recently acquired:

Though these do reflect the way the city is divided up in Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic and are presumably canonical names for suburbs, do they need to be separate articles or should they just be merged into Ahto City? Particularly because Ahto City already contains a section on Ahto City East. If we decide to keep them separate then Ahto City would need links to the other articles (under a suburbs header or something) and the information on Ahto City East would be moved out into the other article. Green Tentacle (Talk) 10:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Keep separate

  1. We sometimes use the "this is like the online encyclopedia they'd produce if Star Wars was real" conceit too much: but if it were, articles on neighbourhoods would be perfectly acceptable. We already have articles on notable buildings and cities: why not the intermediate step? —Silly Dan (talk) 12:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  2. Still not having played the KOTOR games, I can't make too strong an argument, other than that I'm a hyperinclusionist. :) Wildyoda 02:44, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  3. Otherwise, we'd have to delete all other articles on city districts. KEJ 17:04, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
  4. why delete it? So we have a few more articles. These could be merged, but we'd have to at least have a redirect. Anyway, there's no point in taking out a perfectly good article. Joseph Leito 14:19 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Merge

  1. Green Tentacle (Talk) 10:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  2. I'm with Tentacle. The areas are artificial constructs of the game. Havac 05:38, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  3. Sikon 15:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  4. Hyperinclusionist as I am, I'm going to have to say no. Artificial constructs of the game should not warrent their own articles. Although, all of this info can easily be merged into Ahto City. Jorrel Fraajic Wiki-shrinkable 20:46, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  5. RedemptionRedemptionusersymbolTalk 04:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
  6. Make Ahto City a better article. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
  7. Game limitation≠canonical location. -- Darth Culator (Talk)(Kills) 22:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
  8. Per Jorrel's idea. Jwebb13HoloNetSith Emblem 01:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  9. Vryce 17:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
  10. Imp 16:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
  11. NighthawkLeader 05:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
  12. I agree with Darth Culator; it was just called that for area purposes. Milo Fett[Comlink] 00:22, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  13. Unless we hear someone refer to this as an actual area or district. -LtNOWIS 04:30, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
  14. Games are canon. Gameplay mechanics, unless referenced elsewhere, are not. Red XIV 19:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Comments

Actually, while we're at it the same rather enthusiastic anon has also produced Leviathan Hanger and Leviathan Bridge (already deleted by Jaymach once) which could probably be merged with Leviathan and some other slightly dodgy articles like Lehon North Beach, Lehon South Beach and Lehon Central Beach. Do we really need an article on every area in KOTOR when most of them are split just to keep map sizes down? Green Tentacle (Talk) 11:05, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

  • I agree. I mean, we don't have articles on Executor bridge, South Mon Calamari Bay, East Mon Calamari Bay... I call myself a hyperinclusionist, but sometimes too much is too much. Like this. Jorrel Fraajic Wiki-shrinkable 20:44, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Then you are not a hyperinclusionist--merely a garden-variety inclusionist. :)--Valin Kenobi 14:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Is there any evidence that these are actual districts within the cities in question, or merely artifacts of the limitations of the game? jSarek 02:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Well, if there's counter-evidence to these not being city destricts proper, then of course, I'll reconsider my vote. KEJ 21:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
      • JSarek: No. If I can remember correctly, the districts are just placed in the game to break it up. However, I'd keep Sith Embassy and Republic Embassy, as they are different buildings in Ahto City. Also, our little anon friend has also been making the missions in the game (like Rescue of Bastila Shan)... what do we do with those? JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 16:06, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I've run into this a lot as I've been editing KotOR-related articles. Several of the articles in Category:Articles to be merged have been KotOR locations. One of the first projects I took on was merging all the locations in the Peragus Mining Facility into the main article. Later I merged Iziz Merchant Quarter into the main Iziz article, but it was restored, so I've been wondering what the concensus was on these stubs. They are all stubs, just one or two paragraphs with one source, and I personally don't see a point in retaining them as separate articles. As an alternative, I would suggest keeping/creating the pages for all of these locations but redirecting them to the main article so as to discourage people from creating the pages themselves under the belief that they are contributing missing information. Even beyond that, KotOR articles in general seem to present particular problems which I think might be worthy of a WookieeProject. The locations, missions as mentioned by Jorrel Fraajic, and so on could be addressed that way. (Yes, I'm longwinded... sorry.) Sarendipity (Talk to me) 20:48, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

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Comments

  • This is getting interesting. Offhand, I'd say these are less likely to have any canonical status than the parts of Ahto City, which may or may not be "actual" districts. Then again, we do have separate articles for other "locations within locations", but these are typically mentioned by name in the sources. This grey area between game mehanics and continuity is quite fascinating. Should we consult Leland about it? KEJ 16:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Actually, for once . . . this might indeed be an interesting question to see him discuss. jSarek 22:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)