Wookieepedia:Inq/Meeting 109

Welcome to the Inquisitorius Meeting 109, which will take place on Saturday November 2nd, at 2 PM ET / 6 PM UTC. Please leave notes if you cannot attend.

Agenda

Things lost in the past

• Uthar Wynn (diff • review)
• Darth Bandon (diff • review)
• Pacithhip/Legends (diff • review)
• ARC-77 (diff • review)
• Walex Blissex (diff • review)
• Crimson Jack (diff • review)
• Lott Dod/Legends (diff • review)
• Todr Fel (diff • review)
• Hart-and-Parn Gorra-Fiolla (diff • review)
• Cay Qel-Droma (diff • review)

New things to lose

Expand as needed. See also: Maintenance bin

• Lotho Minor — I have updated the article per Star Wars Adventures: Return to Vader's Castle 1. Recommended for Redux. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 04:30, October 16, 2019 (UTC)
• IG-72
  • General underlinking throughout
  • None of the BBY/ABY dates appear to be referenced correctly
  • The first intro paragraph certainly looks like it could be divided into two, for three total intro paragraphs, which nonetheless seems rather large relative to the size of the Biography. I'd recommend looking into trimming the intro size a bit.
  • Several of the Bio paragraphs are rather large in terms text walls, which is a relic of Monobook. Introduce paragraph breaks.
  • The second Bio image caption should do more than just state the droid's name
  • There's room for additional images, and I know the main infobox image is cropped from a larger picture, which could be introduced into the article somewhere
  • BTS partially unsourced
  • BTS image is awkwardly placed, partly as a relic of Monobook
  • Relevant items in the Appearances list should introduce Short story template
  • Official Starships & Vehicles Collection 23 in the Sources list should introduce section name, similar to how the Fact Files are formatted
  • References 1, 9, 10, and 11 need to introduce appropriate citation templates
  • Missing backup links. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 09:29, October 31, 2019 (UTC)
• Thought bomb
  • Many of the article's images are awkwardly placed, as a relic of Monobook. These need to be placed better within the page for better aesthetics, such as not running into the middle of section headers. There's also little reason to ever use an image in the Appearances section. See if that can't be worked into the article proper.
  • Multiple paragraphs are massive walls of text, another relic of Monobook. Introduce paragraph breaks.
  • General underlinking throughout
  • 1000 BBY is technically intro-exclusive, since the term itself is being pipelinked in the article body
  • BTS is unsourced
  • Reference 2 needs to source by individual comic issue, not comic series. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 09:29, October 31, 2019 (UTC)
• Rescue of Bastila Shan
  • General underlinking throughout
  • 3956 BBY is exclusive to the infobox
  • The width of the infobox and the narrow margins of Wikia skin make the intro paragraphs look worse than they originally did in Monobook. Normally, paragraph breaks would help here, but the intro doesn't need to be five or six paragraphs in length. I'd recommend trimming the intro down to two or three paragraphs of more moderate length.
  • A few of the body paragraphs could use breaks as well
  • Remove appropriate links from image and quote captions
  • Section titles should follow Layout guide for battles
  • The image thumbnails are weirdly placed and too small for Wikia skin. They should be optimized.
  • Image thumbnails could use some work too. Just saying "Kandon Ark" doesn't do much for the reader.
  • Two-speaker quotes get Quote template, not Dialogue
  • Redlink
  • Format SW.com DB entry name correctly. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 09:29, October 31, 2019 (UTC)
• Uunu
  • Infobox should avoid including grammatical article in pipelink
  • I find some of the intro to be poorly worded and presented. For example, saying she was "alive in 26 ABY" is so awkward and unspecific. Instead, say what this character was doing at that time; like "Uunu was a Yuuzhan Vong who participated in her species' invasion of the galaxy in 26 ABY" or something. For that matter, I would like to see that sentence framed instead from the perspective of the galaxy, which is much more familiar for our readers to understand. The wording "when the Yuuzhan Vong were invading a galaxy other than their own." is just so unusual.
  • Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the 26 ABY date can't be sourced straight to the NJO novel itself. That date is only present in the Star Wars Timeline at the beginning of the book. I'd recommend using Essential Reader's Companion instead.
  • A four-paragraph Bio like this is typically perfect for two subsections of two paragraphs each, which allows for an additional image or quote if available
  • BTS is unsourced. And fix redirect.
  • I'm not sure if anything other than the first sentence of the BTS is actually necessary for inclusion. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 09:29, October 31, 2019 (UTC)
• Jiliac Desilijic Tiron's child
  • Reference 2 needs a lot of work. Proper citation template, working backup link, and probably some kind of manual note to explain how whatever Leland Chee apparently said there pertains to this article subject.
  • Dates:
    • I kind of doubt NEGTC explicitly mentions 0 BBY for this character's death date, or 3 BBY in the first Bio sentence
    • 2 BBY and 0 BBY are effectively infobox- and intro-exclusive
  • General underlinking throughout
  • Redlinks
  • BTS unsourced
  • Official Starships & Vehicles 6 needs to include specific section title in Sources list. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 09:29, October 31, 2019 (UTC)
• Plif
  • Update needed
  • Digitize all comic images
  • Infobox-exclusive information
  • Some general underlinking throughout
  • Not all of the ABY dates are referenced correctly. And on that note, I don't see why the New Republic section header needs to include ABY dates, particularly when the dates don't even match what's included in that section.
  • Redlinks
  • A few Monobook-era paragraphs could use breaks
  • BTS unsourced
  • Publication date and illustrator(s) would be nice
  • Why is it "curious to note" the following information in that paragraph? That wording comes across as rather POVish, IMO, and could certainly be phrased more neutrally and less editorially. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 06:41, November 1, 2019 (UTC)
• Aing-Tii
  • Update needed
  • General underlinking throughout
  • I'm not sure any of the ABY dates in the article are referenced correctly
  • Image captions need to be punctuated correctly
  • I'm not sure how much, exactly (this will have to be researched by someone), but it certainly appears that a good portion of the History section needs to be migrated into an "Aing-Tii in the galaxy" section, in accordance with the Layout Guide. Only events that occur on the species' homeworld belong in the History section itself.
  • Depending on how the information is reorganized re: the preceding objection, some subsectioning would definitely be nice, which will allow for additional quotes and/or images if available
  • A few paragraphs could use breaks for Wikia-skin aesthetic purposes
  • BTS is unsourced and can just ditch the Appearances/Sources list regurgitation. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 06:41, November 1, 2019 (UTC)
• Jace Dallin
  • Update needed
  • Infobox-exclusive information
  • The GrS date should be removed from the infobox
  • General underlinking throughout
  • Quote captions should remove periods
  • The image thumbnails could all be enlarged a bit for Wikia skin
  • Few of the BBY dates are referenced correctly
  • A few Monobook-era paragraphs could use breaks
  • Could use an Equipment section
  • BTS unsourced and could use publication date(s). Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 06:41, November 1, 2019 (UTC)
• Lorth Needa/Legends
  • The infobox image needs to be sourced correctly, which technically means providing a proper backup link for that now-dead Official Pix URL
  • General underlinking throughout
  • Infobox-exclusive information
  • Affiliations field is limited to one cascading sub-bullet
  • It doesn't appear any of the ABY dates are referenced correctly
  • In regard to reference 13, I think it's a bit of stretch to say those events happened around 0.5 ABY if all we know is they occurred "not long after" Yavin. They could just as easily be closer to 0 ABY itself. It would be better to word that without mentioning an ABY date.
  • I would recommend considering finding an image to use for the first Bio subsection
  • Some of the other images throughout the article should be better placed for optimal Wikia skin presentation; i.e., not running into section headers and quotes
  • I would think it possible to find an image for the P/T
  • Could use an Equipment section
  • BTS unsourced. First appearance author would be nice
  • Remove unnecessary link from quote caption
  • In the Sources list, The Official Starships & Vehicles Collection 5 should specify section like the Fact Files do
  • Format SW.com DB entry names correctly
  • Refs 10, 20, 22, and 23 need to use relevant citation templates
  • Ref 27 needs to cite by individual comic issue, not comic series. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 06:41, November 1, 2019 (UTC)
• Bidlo Kwerve/Legends
  • Digitize comic images
  • General underlinking throughout
  • Infobox-exclusive information
  • Intro-exclusive information
  • Remove unnecessary link from main quote caption
  • P/T image caption could use some work
  • None of the BBY/ABY dates are referenced correctly, nor is the GrS date in the infobox
  • It would be nice to see an image in the second Bio subsection
  • A few of the body paragraphs could use breaks
  • Could use an Equipment section
  • BTS is unsourced and would do well to be reorganized into some semblance of navigable organization instead of just one big wall of text. Publication date(s) for important appearances would be nice.
  • The article should reference how/why the Tales comic story is non-canon, since that is not self-sourcing. There is a specific reason why any given Tales story is considered non-canon.
  • In the Appearances, "Of the Day's Annoyances" needs to use Short story template
  • In the Sources list, I believe the ROTJ Coloring Book needs the Retcon template; The Official Starships & Vehicles Collection 15 needs to list specific section like the Fact Files; SW.com DB entry names need to be formatted correctly
  • Ref 1 needs to be linked correctly
  • Ref 3 needs to use Short story template
  • Missing backup link(s). Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 06:41, November 1, 2019 (UTC)

Discussion

Expand as needed.

Meeting

Still kicking

1. Exiled Jedi (talk) 17:02, October 12, 2019 (UTC)
2. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 17:05, October 12, 2019 (UTC)
3. Imperators II^(Talk) 17:08, October 12, 2019 (UTC)
4. 1358 ^(Talk) 18:52, November 1, 2019 (UTC)

One with the Force

1. Keeping with my theme of always working during these. Notes below. Supreme Emperor (talk) 14:05, October 26, 2019 (UTC)
2. Unlikely. Tommy Macaroni 10:01, October 31, 2019 (UTC)
3. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 08:56, November 2, 2019 (UTC)

Notes

SE

• Kill the old things, probe all the new. For all other matters, EJ has my vote. Supreme Emperor (talk) 14:05, October 26, 2019 (UTC)

Tommy

• Kill all old. Redux Lotho Minor. Probe the rest. Anything else Anil has my vote. Tommy Macaroni 10:01, October 31, 2019 (UTC)

Imp

• Per Mr. Tommy. Imperators II^(Talk) 19:05, November 1, 2019 (UTC)

Toprawa

• Kill all old. Probe all new. Redux Lotho Minor. EJ has my vote for anything else. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 08:56, November 2, 2019 (UTC)

Minutes

Attendance

• AnilSerifoglu
• Exiledjedi
• Imperators II
• Xd1358

Articles stripped of FA status

• Uthar Wynn
• Darth Bandon
• Pacithhip/Legends
• ARC-77
• Walex Blissex
• Crimson Jack
• Lott Dod/Legends
• Todr Fel
• Hart-and-Parn Gorra-Fiolla
• Cay Qel-Droma

Articles placed on probation

• IG-72
• Thought bomb
• Rescue of Bastila Shan
• Uunu
• Jiliac Desilijic Tiron's child
• Plif
• Aing-Tii
• Jace Dallin
• Lorth Needa/Legends
• Bidlo Kwerve/Legends

Articles sent to Redux

• Lotho Minor

Notes

• Log
• Toprawa is on paperwork.