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Wedding fabric
- Nominated by: SilverSunbird (talk) 15:15, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: Got too long again.
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Support
- I can support as an EC since this was originally raised aa a CAN right? Right? Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 05:26, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
- Immi Thrax
(she/her) (talk) 21:51, 6 September 2022 (UTC) 
Asked for a higher quality image on Discord, so hopefully there'll be a better one OOM 224 07:48, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Update: JMAS confirmed the image is from a promotional still, and it's not possible to get a clearer image from the film itself. OOM 224 20:51, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- Updated update: I was able to find a higher quality version in Star Wars Insider 210. I've uploaded a new version of the veil, though it is only 250px wide, unless you want Anakin's head to be in the image. - JMAS
Hey, it's me! 04:52, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 03:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)- Gotta love a good recon! MasterFred(talk) (he/him) 02:46, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Object
Immi Thrax
Continuing this from the CAN: I know this involves a bit of mindreading, so would it be all right if I adjusted the part about Yané and Saché on the article or if I suggested wording here? Let me know which method you prefer :) Immi Thrax (she/her) (talk) 15:30, 28 August 2022 (UTC)- Well, why don't you preview your suggested wording here? Unlike the Jedi, we aren't psychic. SilverSunbird (talk) 20:26, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Apologies for the delayed response. In place of the last two sentences, I suggest something like: "Following that fashion, Yané made nearly identical outfits for the couple, with wide-legged trousers for Saché and a skirt for herself. Yané incorporated Saché's inherited fabric and her own into both the sashes and the trains." Alternatively, "Yané followed that fashion by incorporating Saché's inherited fabric and her own into both the sashes and the trains when she made the couple's nearly identical outfits. Saché had wide-legged trousers, while Yané wore a skirt." Basically, right now it's missing Yané's skirt and it's unclear that they wore each other's fabrics along with their own. Immi Thrax (she/her) (talk) 09:59, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- I reworded it again, which should do the trick. Thanks for the suggestion. SilverSunbird (talk) 23:53, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Apologies for the delayed response. In place of the last two sentences, I suggest something like: "Following that fashion, Yané made nearly identical outfits for the couple, with wide-legged trousers for Saché and a skirt for herself. Yané incorporated Saché's inherited fabric and her own into both the sashes and the trains." Alternatively, "Yané followed that fashion by incorporating Saché's inherited fabric and her own into both the sashes and the trains when she made the couple's nearly identical outfits. Saché had wide-legged trousers, while Yané wore a skirt." Basically, right now it's missing Yané's skirt and it's unclear that they wore each other's fabrics along with their own. Immi Thrax
- Well, why don't you preview your suggested wording here? Unlike the Jedi, we aren't psychic. SilverSunbird (talk) 20:26, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
As for Padmé's fabric, the book sounds to me like her entire piece of fabric became the veil. That veil is partially described in the book with additional details coming from other sources (specifically flower embroidery and wax drop stamens). Padmé explicitly adds pleating, but those other details seem to be part of the fabric itself rather than additions she made--thus I think those veil details should be included. I'm not sure about whether there should be BTS details about Trisha Biggar making the veil or if those are better suited to the wedding dress article, what do you think? Immi Thrax (she/her) (talk) 15:30, 28 August 2022 (UTC)- I did actually put in the stuff about the embroidery and stamens, but if there's any more pieces of description about the veil and the sources they come from, please do mention it. I think the BTS stuff about how the dress was made fits better on the wedding dress article. SilverSunbird (talk) 20:26, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, I see you did make those additions after I initially brought it up! To be clear, I was asking about BTS on the veil alone, not the dress part of the costume. Mythmaking: Behind the Scenes of Attack of the Clones notes that the veil is "Edwardian-style". Dressing a Galaxy: The Costumes of Star Wars: "Maltese lace veil with headdress made from Edwardian wax flowers and beaded pearls. Small pearls are sprinkled over the rest of the veil." No further IU details to my knowledge. Immi Thrax (she/her) (talk) 09:59, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Details added. SilverSunbird (talk) 23:53, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, I see you did make those additions after I initially brought it up! To be clear, I was asking about BTS on the veil alone, not the dress part of the costume. Mythmaking: Behind the Scenes of Attack of the Clones notes that the veil is "Edwardian-style". Dressing a Galaxy: The Costumes of Star Wars: "Maltese lace veil with headdress made from Edwardian wax flowers and beaded pearls. Small pearls are sprinkled over the rest of the veil." No further IU details to my knowledge. Immi Thrax
- I did actually put in the stuff about the embroidery and stamens, but if there's any more pieces of description about the veil and the sources they come from, please do mention it. I think the BTS stuff about how the dress was made fits better on the wedding dress article. SilverSunbird (talk) 20:26, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
Fred strikes back
Is there a reason AOTC is not listed in Appearances?MasterFred(talk) (he/him) 06:39, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
- The concept of wedding fabric was introduced in Queen's Hope. Since the fabric is no longer in its raw form when it is made into the veil, I left it off. (There was further discussion here if you want to look.) SilverSunbird (talk) 06:50, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
- I really hate that I missed that discussion. I would argue that we should take a more chemistry-based approach to this. The fabric didn't become something else. It's just attached to other fabrics or shaped into something. The fabric can be clearly seen and easily removed from the dress. I'd argue that those should be the two factors. Is the specific ingredient something that is visible, or would be to the characters (in the case of non-visual media)? Can it be separated from the other components in a chemical sense (physical change versus chemical change)? This would eliminate lightsabers alone counting as appearances of kyber crystals, as the crystals are not visible unless the lightsaber is dismanteled. Thoughts? MasterFred(talk) (he/him) 01:37, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- You do have a point there, so I changed it (with a lot of {{Ret}} tags). SilverSunbird (talk) 03:33, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- I really hate that I missed that discussion. I would argue that we should take a more chemistry-based approach to this. The fabric didn't become something else. It's just attached to other fabrics or shaped into something. The fabric can be clearly seen and easily removed from the dress. I'd argue that those should be the two factors. Is the specific ingredient something that is visible, or would be to the characters (in the case of non-visual media)? Can it be separated from the other components in a chemical sense (physical change versus chemical change)? This would eliminate lightsabers alone counting as appearances of kyber crystals, as the crystals are not visible unless the lightsaber is dismanteled. Thoughts? MasterFred
- The concept of wedding fabric was introduced in Queen's Hope. Since the fabric is no longer in its raw form when it is made into the veil, I left it off. (There was further discussion here if you want to look.) SilverSunbird (talk) 06:50, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 02:46, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
- Suggestion: instead of cropping the full-body picture to focus on the veil, swap the image for a detailed closeup or profile image to see the beadwork and wax flowers. For instance, Dressing a Galaxy: The Costumes of Star Wars has a closeup of the veil, a scan of which is available (with attribution) from the fansite Padawan's Guide: here. Originating with Official Pix, a different image: here. Immi Thrax (she/her) (talk) 10:04, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Although that's a very nice picture, I have opted not to use it because it focusses primarily on the beadwork, while the article is about the type of fabric used in the veil. SilverSunbird (talk) 23:53, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Understood! Immi Thrax (she/her) (talk) 13:55, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Understood! Immi Thrax
- Although that's a very nice picture, I have opted not to use it because it focusses primarily on the beadwork, while the article is about the type of fabric used in the veil. SilverSunbird (talk) 23:53, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- For your consideration: I'm going back and forth on whether one of the Category:Object infobox templates should be added, and if so, what type. It's not a single specific substance so Template:Substance may not be 100% appropriate, but some of our infobox uses have been pretty flexible. Immi Thrax (she/her) (talk) 13:55, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- I'm personally leaning against an infobox here because since wedding fabric could potentially encompass multiple types of fabric (that's one thing the book does not cover), I don't think the available infoboxes are quite flexible enough to fit this subject. SilverSunbird (talk) 03:55, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think that {{Ret}} is actually applicable here, since the order seems to be 1) fabric appears in film and other things, and then 2) fabric is identified, so a 1stID might make more sense. For example, Kazak#Appearances, which uses Ret, has 1) Unidentified Ewok appears in film 2) Kazak appears in comic book, unrelated to film Ewok, and 3) later third source retroactively establishes that the unnamed Ewok was Kazak. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 00:12, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
- I have to disagree. This is, objectively, the same type of situation as the one you mentioned: veil appears in movie and other things. Book introduces the concept of the veil being made of a special kind of fabric. Before Queen's Hope, the concept did not exist and there was nothing particularly special about the veil. And there is, in fact, a {{1stID}} tag on the page referring to the book. In my view, there is no problem. SilverSunbird (talk) 00:49, 16 November 2022 (UTC)