Wookieepedia:Comprehensive article nominations/Wedding fabric

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Wedding fabric

Nominated by: SilverSunbird (talk) 02:03, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
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Immi Thrax

Please describe the outfits that incorporated wedding fabrics (ex. what made Yané and Saché's outfits mirrors of each other?) Immi Thrax (she/her) (talk) 04:29, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Context for when and why Padmé asked for Yané's advice (before her wedding to Anakin Skywalker, because Yané was previously her wardrobe mistress, that sort of thing) Immi Thrax (she/her) (talk) 04:29, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
The additional details will push the word count up into "needs intro and sectioning" territory; at that point, keep an eye out in case it gets past CA length. Immi Thrax (she/her) (talk) 04:29, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Appearances and sources for Padmé Amidala's wedding dress need to be listed. That article's lists are incomplete, so there's going to be more research ahead. Immi Thrax (she/her) (talk) 04:29, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- The only part of Padmé's outfit relevant to this page is the veil, and only the fact that it's made of the wedding fabric is really relevant to this page. The only other piece of description included about Yané and Saché's wedding outfits is that Saché's outfit had wide-legged pants, which is not relevant specifically to wedding fabric as it is not the part of the outfit where the fabric was incorporated.
  - The reason I disagree with not describing them is that, as currently written, it's unclear if Yané and Saché are wearing identical outfits ("mirrored"), or both of them wore trains and sashes, or something else. Immi Thrax (she/her) (talk) 03:54, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
    - I don't think it's strictly relevant to the article, but it's in there for now. SilverSunbird (talk) 04:25, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
      - That's better, getting there! I know this involves a bit of mindreading, so would it be all right if I adjusted the part about Yané and Saché or suggested wording here? As for Padmé's, the book sounds to me like her entire piece of fabric became the veil. That veil is partially described in the book with additional details coming from other sources. The pleating is something Padmé explicitly adds, but other details of flower embroidery and wax drop stamens aren't clearly distinguished as originating with the fabric or additions she made--thus I think those veil details should be included. I'm not sure about whether there should be BTS details about Trisha Biggar and the veil or if those are better suited to the wedding dress article, what do you think? Immi Thrax (she/her) (talk) 10:12, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
        Okay, that does make sense. I'm not going to be able to follow up on this until August 26/27, though, because I'm travelling and nowhere close to my copy of the book right now. SilverSunbird (talk) 20:15, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
        I'm good with discussing further then! :) Immi Thrax (she/her) (talk) 09:47, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
- Added.
  - A little more context, please. The article never says to whom Padmé is getting married. Immi Thrax (she/her) (talk) 03:54, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
    - You want more context? That can be arranged. SilverSunbird (talk) 04:25, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
      - Thank you! Immi Thrax (she/her) (talk) 10:12, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- Hasn't happened so far. 163 words.
- I don't think appearances of the wedding dress itself count for appearances of wedding fabric; it isn't like we count every appearance of a lightsaber as the appearance of a kyber crystal. The material has been transformed from its base state. SilverSunbird (talk) 04:40, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
  - I follow your reasoning, but unfortunately, other status articles about materials do count what a material is part of as an appearance/source. For instance, chokeroot and mashed chokeroot have Fried Endorian Tip-Yip listings. If that's something you think should be changed, maybe start a SH to have a wider discussion? Immi Thrax (she/her) (talk) 03:54, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
    - I'll do that. SilverSunbird (talk) 04:25, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
    - Here's that SH thread. And just to paraphrase what I said there, I don't think any appearances of Padme's wedding dress count as an appearance of wedding fabric because it's been modified enough to be part of the outfit that it can no longer be easily identified which part of the outfit has the fabric if you don't already know. My interpretation of what the book meant about this is that wedding fabric is the raw pieces of fabric, as yet unincorporated into clothing, not the outfits actually containing the fabric. SilverSunbird (talk) 04:36, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
      - Striking that objection for this time since that's a wider discussion in progress, don't want it to hold up this nom. Immi Thrax (she/her) (talk) 10:12, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Manoof

" Her sister, Sola Naberrie, chose not to marry and used her share as clothing for her daughters, symbolizing they belonged to the family." Can this be clarified since it's already established that the fabric is passed down. Were her daughters adopted or something? Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 10:00, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
Did Padme follow Yane's advice or no? it's not clear if the decision was made BECAUSE or IRRESPECTIVE of the advice. Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 10:00, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
The Culture of Naboo category can be removed, as Padme's wardrobe is a subcategory of it. Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 10:00, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
Historic info in the intro should align to the Body, so you need to move the mention of the fabric's use in Padme's dress to after the mention of the use for Sache/Yane Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 10:00, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
"Members of such families would inherit pieces of the fabric" is reiterating the previous sentence Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 10:00, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
"it was in style for wedding fabric to be used in sashes and trains." Can this be cut and the following sentence mention "according to the style of the time", as it is repetitive for the repeated mention of sashes and trains. Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 10:00, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
The sentence for Amidala's family needs a tweak, as "her" could potentially be interpreted to mean Padme rather than Sola. Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 10:00, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
- I've handled most of that. Check back on the upcoming GAN page when it shows up.
- I have removed it from the Padme's wardrobe category page, as I feel that category already contains too many articles about clothing and accessories not unique to her wardrobe (e.g. Shiraya fan headdress). I think it needs a massive cleanup. SilverSunbird (talk) 01:54, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Comments

245 words. SilverSunbird (talk) 04:25, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
The article is now too long, so I'm pulling this nomination. SilverSunbird (talk) 01:54, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, JocastaBot, I'm withdrawing this nomination because the article got too long. SilverSunbird (talk) 03:12, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
  - Put through the withdrawal request for you :) Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 10:23, 28 August 2022 (UTC)