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WED-15-77

  • Nominated by: Darth Morrt 03:50, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: This is an other movie character and my first droid nomination.

(5 ACs/4 Users/9 Total)

Support

  1. I love droids! MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 17:27, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
  2. BonslywizardTrade Federation(Send a transmission) 03:47, January 7, 2011 (UTC)
  3. ~ SavageBob 03:05, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
  4. ACvote Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 11:08, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
  5. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 18:38, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
  6. ACvote Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 20:43, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  7. ACvote Kilson Likes PIE(The Bakery) 20:45, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
  8. ACvote CC7567 (talk) 00:56, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
  9. ACvote Article looks good. Sorry for the delay. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:09, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Object

Prepare to be savaged...
  • Nice work! But are you sure you've checked all the available adaptations and behind-the-scenes guides to its two movie appearances to be sure to get all relevant info? I don't think we can expect you to check everything, but you should at least make sure you've consulted all mainstream adaptations and behind-the-scenes guides, as listed here. ~ SavageBob 05:11, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
    • Checked. Darth Morrt 02:58, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
      • OK, I'll review the rest in the next couple of days. ~ SavageBob 03:10, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
  • How about some quotes from the radio drama? I'm pretty sure Luke talks to the thing. ~ SavageBob 06:46, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
    • I've added three. The third is fine for P&P, but I am not sure that each of the first and the second are needed. Your opinion? Darth Morrt 10:17, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
      • Good! I'm not one of those who thinks quotes have to be "needed"—quotes are generally for color in my opinion. These are nice. ~ SavageBob 15:52, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
  • There's some background/BTS information on this droid (and its counterpart) in The Making of Star Wars: The Definitive Story Behind the Original Film. Do you have access to the book? It should also be added to the Sources section. ~ SavageBob 19:01, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
    • I don't have the book. May I ask you to add the new information to the articles or to give me an excerpt? Darth Morrt 22:11, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
      • I've written the stuff out on the article's talk page. Hopefully some of it will be useful. ~ SavageBob 18:28, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
      • I went ahead and added more of the information, retooling your BTS a bit. Hope you find it to be acceptable! I think we should get an article on the unidentified treadwell. Otherwise, the article looks very good. ~ SavageBob 00:16, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
        • Thank you. The Bts is good. The other droid has an article: Unidentified WED-15 Treadwell (Lars homestead), but it already has been linked in the Bio as "another Treadwell". Do you mind if I merge the two "making" refs into one, giving two different page numbers, like I've done with two other books? Darth Morrt 02:06, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
          • If you're going to list page numbers at all, why not separate them out for all sources? The idea with page numbers is to allow other users to go back and find the references easily in what are often very thick books. But there's no rule against merging them together, so feel free. ~ SavageBob 03:05, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I had to remove my support temporarily. While Graestan's objection below was well made, the solution should not be to remove all date references. Rather, there should be at least some date references that are properly sourced instead. For instance, if you wish to assert that an event happened during a specific era, find a source that gives the dates for the era, find a source that gives a date for the specific event described, and then add the refs. ~ SavageBob 05:26, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
    • These eras are not well sourced and the sources are not consistent with each other. I added the easily sourcable "before the Clone Wars" instead. Darth Morrt 06:13, January 22, 2011 (UTC)
      • That's better! I just found a mention of the droid in Galactic Phrase Book and Travel Guide, where Burtt talks about creating the droid's "voice." I'll add the info and return to support within the next day or so. ~ SavageBob 19:12, January 22, 2011 (UTC)
        • Thank you, I don't have access to Phrase Book, either. Darth Morrt 21:38, January 22, 2011 (UTC)
Fred strikes
  • Check the tense in Personality and programming. It should not be "cannot", but "could not." MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 05:15, November 19, 2010 (UTC)
  • It should be "its", not "it", after the above mentioned error. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 12:09, November 19, 2010 (UTC)
  • I'll review more thoroughly later. If a week goes by, feel free to send me a message. God bless! MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 00:30, November 20, 2010 (UTC)
  • OK, a few grammatical errors. Shouldn't every instance of "Lars's" be "Lars'" instead. "Because" is misspelled in the intro. A comma is needed after "the Jedi Anakin Skywalker". And right after that it should be "arrived on" instead of "arrived to". In the next sentence it should be "another", not "an other". Is it supposed to say "north ride" or "north side"? I don't believe the comma before "because it was taken" is necessary. Skipping back to the intro, it should be "Tosche power station" instead of "Toschi". In the Faf section, it should be "held" instead of "holded". It should be "one of which", not "one of them". In the Bts now. No comma before "in a scene". Ok, I'll finish on my other iPod so I can copy and paste. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 01:58, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
    • Fixed.
  • Here we go. "The scene was cut from the released version of the film, but appeared in various adaptations, including the novel, the radio drama and the manga comic. In the radio drama, WED-15-77 didn't melt down, just stopped moving, and Owen mentioned later, that he didn't need an other Treadwell, because he had one. This suggests, that the Unidentified WED-15 Treadwell on the Lars homestead was intended to be WED-15-77, not an other droid of the same line. However, the Databank confirmed the meltdown to be final. According to the Databank, the same droid model was used in the Jawa sandcrawler—later identified as WED-15-I662—and an other Treadwell appeared in the background on the Lars homestead." This whole section needs a lot of work. Try this: "The scene was cut from the released version of the film, but it appeared in various adaptations including the novel, the radio drama, and the manga comic. In the radio drama, WED-15-77 didn't melt down, but rather he just stopped moving. Owen mentioned later that he didn't need another Treadwell because he had one. This suggests that the unidentified WED-15 Treadwell on the Lars homestead was intended to be WED-15-77 instead of another droid of the same line. However, the Databank confirmed the meltdown to be final. According to the Databank, the same droid model was used in the Jawa sandcrawler—later identified as WED-15-I662—and another Treadwell appeared in the background on the Lars homestead." I think that's it. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 02:13, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
    • Fixed. Darth Morrt 09:19, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
      • Fixed the last "an other" that I saw. That's it! MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 17:26, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
I don't know the same things you don't know, you know

Intro:

  • I'm pretty sure there is a page for Repair droids...why no link?
    • Heh. Sorry. Maintenance droid. Maintenance droid. :P--BonslywizardTrade Federation(Send a transmission) 02:36, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
      • Linked, but I have piped it, because neither source calls it maintenance droid.
  • "At one such occasion..." Shouldn't it be "On"?
    • Fixed.
  • Bacuse?
    • Fixed.
  • So, Luke was eager to meet his friend, eh? What friend? Also, the bio says friends. Which one?
  • The rest is coming, don't worry...--BonslywizardTrade Federation(Send a transmission) 02:29, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
    • Bonsly, objections such as "one missing link" and a simple grammatical fix fall under the Sofixit clause, which you should be familiar with by now. 1358 (Talk) 07:58, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
The Wizard did it

Sorry it took so long, but, here I am now, so...

Intro:

  • Not an objection really, but could you maybe add where the power station was?
  • Is his friend Fixer or Laze? I realize they are the same person, but only after I checked the link. Stay consistent with what you call him.
    • I've fixed Fixer :) Darth Morrt 18:58, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

Bio:

  • "One day, Lars asked Skywalker to repair the vaporators on the south ridge with the help of Treadwell who got an electric shock during the work in consequence of using an uninsulated manipulator." Run-on. Separate into two sentences.

PP:

  • "It was a recalcitrant yet hardworking droid that prefered working for Owen's wife, Beru, since she gave the droid simple, predictable jobs." Predictable isn't really the right word here. Try something else.
    • The Visual Guide and the Databank use the word 'predictable'. Changed a little. Does it work?

BTS:

  • You say WED's scene was cut twice. Get rid of one mention.

This should be it, but I'll read it over again once these are over with. BonslywizardTrade Federation(Send a transmission) 15:16, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

Graestan
  • Violation of sourcing policy; I would really avoid using terms like Imperial Period and Republic Classic Era in general, unless you plan to source them to which publications describe them. For instance, in the first paragraph of the bio, you indicate the Republic Classic Era as being referred to in Episode II, which does not mention it whatsoever. There may be additional instances of this in the article; I'd appreciate if you'd root them out before I have to, beginning with these time periods which must be removed or sourced accordingly. Graestan(Talk) 03:03, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
    • I've cut the eras and rechecked the refs. Darth Morrt 04:27, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
  • Last sentence of Features and functions has a grammatical error. Graestan(Talk) 03:03, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • Source list is at least partially incorrectly ordered. Please revise. Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:47, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
  • I'm afraid page 173 of the Atlas in no way details the death of this specific character and thus cannot be used as a direct source for the fact that he died in 0 ABY. The Atlas reference itself should be placed behind the reference that actually states the character died to illustrate that it is a secondary, indirect source for the date itself.
    • Fixed.
  • Nothing can be added to the "Equipment" infobox field regarding his wheels and what I've always assumed are two photoreceptors? Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:10, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
  • We evidently have an issue with the use of the main image. Cut content from the films, as in deleted scenes, is not canonical unless it's included in some way in another source that establishes its canonicity. The article currently asserts that WED-15-77 does not canonically appear in the ANH film, but only appears in cut scenes. However, the main image is sourced to the film, which I must assume comes from a cut scene. If that image is from a cut scene only and is not included in any other source, it cannot be considered canonical. Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:27, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
    • The image was incorrecty sourced. It comes from the Databank. I think it is some kind of Bts image from Episode II, since there are the tracks of a car in the background. In the old Databank, the entries picture's linked to a larger version of the image. IMO this file was uploaded from that time. In the new Databank, the images are no longer links, but the pictures are still there, if someone puts some magic words into the url. I have seen this in the source section of a few images, but I don't remember where and how to do it. I am searching for the proper source of the other image. Darth Morrt 04:22, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
      • That's fine, but just remember that this is something you need to remember to check for in each of your nominations, per GAN rule 11. This objection will be satisfied once the second image is properly sourced. Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:51, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
        • I've changed the second pic to another version which is from the storybook, until I find the source of the other one. It is already cropped a bit. Should I cut it more like the other one? Darth Morrt 04:41, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
  • The picture of this droid and Luke standing next to the moisture vaporator appears in one of the issues of the Star Wars Technical Journal. I would add the item to the Sources list myself, but I have a compilation version of the book, so I'm not sure which issue he appears in. I would guess issue 1, but you'll need to look into this. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:37, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
    • Added. Also changed the picture, because this is bigger. Darth Morrt 07:57, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
  • The Star Wars Storybook is an Appearances item, not Sources. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:05, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
  • The actual Star Wars radio drama should be considered higher on the canon hierarchy than the radio drama script, which is used as the source for all of the article's quotes. I understand that some scenes are unique to the script and can still be included as canon, but if we can in fact source these quotes to the radio drama, I would recommend doing so.
    • Each quote sourced to the radio drama, one has an additional word. Darth Morrt 11:47, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
  • Same goes for the article's referencing. If there are any of the radio drama script references that could be turned into normal radio drama references, I would also recommend doing so.
    • All could be turned to radio drama. Darth Morrt 11:47, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
  • I'd like to see the biography briefly establish that the droid is also known as "Treadwell," similar to how the intro does. The bio currently just sort of moves into calling him by this name with no real transition introduction.
  • For the sake of droid article consistency, I would suggest combining the two "Personality and programming" and "Features and functions" subsections into one "Characteristics" section, which is the growing trend the majority of our droid character articles are taking, and which I notice at least one of your other droid character articles uses.
  • If we apparently know how many treaded wheels the droid had (10, judging by the article), the infobox should specify this precisely.
    • Addressed.
  • Would like to see these issues handled before concluding with the BTS. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:44, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
  • You could probably include mention of The Star Wars Storybook somewhere about here: "The droid was featured in a scene that was ultimately cut from the released version of A New Hope, but it appeared in various adaptations of the film, including the movie's novelization, radio drama, and manga comic."
    • Added. (There are no page numbers.) Darth Morrt 03:32, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
  • If the article is choosing to specify an individual entry for the CSWE item in the Sources list, it would probably be best to just go ahead and use the CSWECite template. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:05, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
Moffship
  • Is there really a need for three references for the date he was destroyed?
    • I think there is. The Databank confirms his death, but states it happened in the days preceding Luke Skywalker's departure from Tatooine. The novel places his death in the events of the film. And the Atlas gives the exact GrS date.
      • I'd suggest cutting it down to only the Atlas reference for the date, since you cite the Databank entry for the location of destruction. I still don't find it necessary to cite three separate sources when one can easily cover it.
        • Toprawa objected previously, that the Atlas is not enough for the date, since it doesn't tell a single word about this droid. Just rechecked, and found that the novel is enough to source his death, since it mentions that his vital components were shot. However, I still need the Atlas for the exact date. Darth Morrt 10:06, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  • In the bio, could "In the early stages of the Galactic Civil War" be changed to something else? The wording implies, at least to me, that Treadwell was somehow involved in the conflict.
    • Cut.
      • You shouldn't just cut that, because now there's no time reference. Please replace with something else. ~ SavageBob 22:34, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
        • I realized that my original time reference was not correct. The sources give no exact timeframe. Darth Morrt 10:06, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
          • Sure they do. You could maybe say, "By the time Luke Skywalker reached 18 years of age [or whatever age he's supposed to be in ANH, with a ref], Treadwell ..." ~ SavageBob 15:08, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
            • I would like to have the second paragraph's second sentence to be a general statement about the years preceeding the cutscene, that's why I put in the time reference of "during these decades". The droid probably helped Luke for more years not just in his last year on Tatooine. The third sentence describes the cutscene of the film, giving the time reference of "one day in 0 BBY". Darth Morrt 16:24, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  • What are the "units" that Luke needed to service on the south ridge? This needs to be clarified.
    • Clarified.
  • For the P&T quote, is the second ellipsis used to signify that you have removed text from the quote? If so, a set of brackets needs to be placed around it.
    • No text is removed from Luke's line. Both ellipses are used to replace the sound effects of the Treadwell. The script of the radio drama inserts the following: "Sound: Treadwell maneuvering, still gobbling to itself." and "Sound: An electronic shriek of surprise and distress. Circuitry sputters." IMO, unlike the leading quote, these insertions are not needed for this quote. I don't think the brackets are needed here, since the ellipses indicate a pause in speach here.
      • After talking with Toprawa about this, we agreed that it would be best if you made this quote similar to the intro quote; just mention the droid's sounds in place of the second ellipsis. Don't forget to format it properly.
  • Currently, you use the same name for two references—"radio" is used for both Star Wars: The National Public Radio Dramatization and the Star Wars radio drama. Please fix this.
    • Fixed.
  • A note: In the Appearances list, you used {{Cutscene}} to denote that Treadwell appeared in a scene cut from A New Hope. However, this template refers to cutscenes of games, and not scenes cut from films. I've gone ahead and removed the film from the list, since the droid apparently does not appear in the final version. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 20:21, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
Attack of the Clone
  • This is very nitpicky, but two of the refs have punctuation while the many others do not. While punctuation isn't wrong in references, it should be consistent, so please choose either punctuation or no punctuation and stick with it throughout the article. CC7567 (talk) 06:33, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
  • "Treadwell burps a noncommittal reply": this may be my excessively picky side talking, but I kind of have a problem with this part of the quote; "burps" just doesn't seem very formal or very clear. I do get what you're trying to say, but is there a way you could perhaps change it to "beeps" or something, since that's what the droid actually physically did?
    • The sentences in squere brackets in the quotes are directly from the radio drama script. I shouldn't change them, should I? Darth Morrt 10:52, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
      • It's fine if it's directly from the script, which I'm assuming is also the case with the "Personality and programming" quote. CC7567 (talk) 19:43, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
        • Yes, both quotes are directly from the script. Darth Morrt 00:41, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
  • "On one such occasion": I'm not quite sure where this is coming from, given that you don't mention any occasions of malfunctioning before this. Please clarify. Also, do you think you could make this sentence a little more cohesive with the others? The jump from the last sentence to here is rather sudden.
    • With the "occasion", I was trying to refer to Treadwell often working with Luke. Cleared. Darth Morrt 10:52, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
  • "Skywalker thought that the vital components of WED-15-77 were shot, so he left the smoking droid in the desert." From what you're saying here, it sounds as if Skywalker didn't realize the full extent of Treadwell's damage, and it's implied that that's why he left him there, to retrieve him later. However, it's not entirely clear what you're trying to say. Please see what you can do to make this sentence clearer.
  • "It was a recalcitrant yet hardworking droid that preferred helping Owen's wife, Beru, since she gave the droid the same simple and predictable jobs." Can you perhaps mention this in the Biography section too? It is relevant where it is now, but it would also be relevant to its life.
  • Could you say something of the droid's appearance in Attack of the Clones in the Bts? Given that this is yet another original trilogy character making it to the prequels, I'd say it's relevant. CC7567 (talk) 05:54, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
  • This again is rather nitpicky, but it for some reason bothers me that the article keeps on switching between "WED-15-77" and "Treadwell" in such quick succession. I do realize that both are canonical names, and I'm not against using both in the article, but just not to the current extent; the article switches between the two names twice in the second paragraph of the "Biography" section, one sentence after the other. Also, if it's known how the droid earned the name "Treadwell," it should be explained in the article—at the very least, the fact that it did earn the name should be mentioned in the article. Varying up word choice is good, but don't be afraid to refer to a subject as the same name in close proximity; it won't detract from the quality of the article. I would suggest trying to ease up the name switching in the article. CC7567 (talk) 19:43, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
    • Addressed. The droid is probably called Treadwell just because it is a Treadwell droid. Nowhere it is mentioned why this droid is called simple Treadwell while other Treadwells are called Techie or Eyesixsix. Darth Morrt 00:41, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 19:09, April 20, 2011 (UTC)


  • Note to whomever this concerns: while the nomination does have the required votes to pass, it is requested that it not be archived just yet, as Toprawa has stated he will complete his review soon; he currently has an outstanding objection. CC7567 (talk) 00:56, April 17, 2011 (UTC)