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Volcanic environment stormtrooper

  • Nominated by: Cyborg Commando (talk) 18:29, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments:
  • Date Archived: 01:34, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Final word count: 786 words (113 introduction, 547 body, 126 behind the scenes)
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(4 ACs/1 Users/5 Total)

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Support

  1. ACvote Ayrehead02 (talk) 16:24, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
  2. Good work. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 07:45, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
  3. ACvote Lewisr (talk) 17:53, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
  4. ACvote Amazing work! TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 14:41, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
  5. ACvote —spookywillowwtalk 01:34, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Object

Lew
  • The introduction should be expanded Lewisr (talk) 18:36, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
  • There's a real lack of images in the body Lewisr (talk) 18:36, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
  • The 'Rebels on Mustafar' and 'Knights in the castle' sections could be dated Lewisr (talk) 18:36, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
    • Dating has been updated. Any reason this can't be struck? Cyborg Commando (talk) 01:26, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
      • Just wanted to do something first Lewisr (talk) 02:15, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
  • This preview article is missing as a source. I'd recommend checking the other issues sources sections incase the troopers are depicted in them Lewisr (talk) 18:36, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
    • Covered dating and images. Will work on expanding sources, including previews and comic collections. Cyborg Commando (talk) 19:08, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
      • Updated sources and appearances. Would the Spooky Secrets article need a pictured only tag? Cyborg Commando (talk) 04:38, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
        • Where are they in that article? Lewisr (talk) 04:57, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
          • The crowd shot of the Mustafarian mob from Tales #5, on the right. There's a trooper being carried away with dark armor and a distinctive red breath tube. Cyborg Commando (talk) 05:06, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
            • Ah yes I see it now, a Po would be fine unless there's a mention of them somewhere Lewisr (talk) 00:40, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Context for the Auric in the intro please Lewisr (talk) 04:59, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
  • The comic author, illustrator, and publisher should be noted in the BTS Lewisr (talk) 00:40, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
  • The first usage of pronouns will need citing to sources that do actually use them, example: Vicrul's aren't citable to Crimson Reign 4 Lewisr (talk) 23:24, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
    • Got Vicrul. Will go through and check the others. Cyborg Commando (talk) 15:29, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
      • I got Vicrul and XM-G3. Vader's are good as is. I'm struggling with Lina Graf though, who from my read-through is only ever referred to as Commander Graf or Mistress Lina by Crater. Assuming I haven't missed something, I suspect Graf's pronouns can be cited to the Adventures in Wild Space series, but I don't have those books to confirm. Cyborg Commando (talk) 01:25, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
        • Lina's can be to the credits/crawl page in issue 2, it uses 'her crew' so no extra reference is necessary Lewisr (talk) 01:55, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
  • I'd like to see the context for Vader and Skritt being moved to around their first mentions Lewisr (talk) 23:24, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
  • I think there's a fair bit of underlinking, Attack on Fortress Vader, Unidentified Lava Trooper sergeant, breathing tube, fortress are just some. I'd recommend doing a sweep through and linking what you can Lewisr (talk) 23:24, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
    • Linked those. Couldn't find anything else—I did check. If there's anything not already linked on first mention, please let me know or feel free to add it in. Cyborg Commando (talk) 15:29, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Since they are stormtrooper variants, would it be fair to say the Lava Troopers are humans? Multiple sources, two being Ultimate Star Wars, New Edition and Star Wars: Character Encyclopedia, Updated and Expanded Edition, indicate that stormtroopers are all humans 23:24, 22 October 2023 (UTC)~
    • Fair and added. Cyborg Commando (talk) 15:29, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
      • Precedent prefers to use the latest edition of the books if possible, so it'll need updating to the New Edition Lewisr (talk) 16:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
  • I think you could briefly context the fortress in the intro Lewisr (talk) 18:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
  • The lava trooper who is speaking with the sergeant and later with Vader is notable for a page Lewisr (talk) 18:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
  • 'three lava troopers watched over a landing platform outside Darth Vader's castle, two of whom noted the arrival of a Theta-class shuttle, an unusual sight for the' can you pinpoint the third out? I was only seeing two, the sergeant and the one he speaks with Lewisr (talk) 18:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
    • That was a mistake. Cyborg Commando (talk) 21:27, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
      • Thanks, thought I was missing something at first Lewisr (talk) 21:51, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Star Wars: Dawn of Rebellion: The Visual Guide out today establishes that the troopers have 'armor bolstered by extensive cooling systems and heat shields' Lewisr (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
    • Added. Does this warrant the creation of a Canon heat shielding article? Also, does the visual dictionary do anything to confirm the capitalization of lava trooper? Cyborg Commando (talk) 14:40, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
      • I guess at heat shield would be fine. And unfortunately it doesn't, it only refers to them as LAVA TROOPERS above their description Lewisr (talk) 15:55, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Publisher for Dawn of Rebellion isn't needed Lewisr (talk) 15:19, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
Anil
  • Context for Fortress Vader would be nice, at least to clarify that it was Vader's residence in the article body.
  • Galactic Empire is infobox-exclusive.
  • Likewise, Imperial Era is only mentioned in the intro.
    • Added. Is the Lava Troopers' existence as a form of stormtrooper enough to indicate that they are in the Imperial Era and therefore citable to the comic itself? Cyborg Commando (talk) 05:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
      • Yeah, citing that to the comic itself should suffice. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 06:47, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Since the comic text is written in all-caps, do we have an actual source that uses the capitalized "Lava Trooper." Just asking because stormtrooper variants (death trooper, scout trooper, sandtroopers, etc.) are usually rendered in lowercase.
    • We do not. Should we lowercase it and move the page? Also, something I found while looking—the troopers in Tales #5 are only ever referred to as stormtroopers in the script. Worth mentioning? Cyborg Commando (talk) 05:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
      • I'd say yes to keep it consistent with other stormtrooper variants, and a {{Conjecturecapitalization}} tag is probably required as well. About that script thing, normally I'd be in favor of noting that, but I believe that script page is from the same issue that identified the troopers by name, so saying that they are only referred to as stormtroopers in the script may not be entirely accurate. What do you think? TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 06:47, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
        • Capitalization fixed. And you're right, I should have been more precise with my wording. The StarWars.com article The Spooky Secrets of IDW's Tales from Vader's Castle provides an excerpt from the Tales #5 script, specifically the Mustafarian raid flashback. One lava trooper is simply referred to as STORMTROOPER #2, and there is precedent for noting that sort of simplicity in the BtS. Cyborg Commando (talk) 17:42, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
          • I think the two are slightly different cases: The Star Destroyer one documents that the ship was not identified by name in the script, not that it was referred to as a Star Destroyer in an instance. Still, noting the SW.com's Tales #5 excerpt in BTS sounds good to me though. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 23:36, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
  • According to Star Wars: Imperial Handbook: A Commander's Guide, "lavatrooper" was an alternate name for the Legends magma stormtroopers, which might be worth noting in BTS. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 04:10, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
  • (Reviewing note) Per the Manual of Style, grammatical articles (a, an, the) shouldn't be placed in pipelinks like this. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 23:36, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
  • After discussing this with fellow ACs, Star Wars: Dawn of Rebellion: The Visual Guide also seems to formally identify lava troopers as "volcanic environment stormtroopers," in the same vein as cold weather assault stormtroopers and coastal defense stormtroopers. I have already moved the article, but this needs to be reflected in the article body and BTS as well. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 17:14, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
  • (Reviewing note) A quick tip in case you didn't know (which I have discovered much later than I should have XD), you can easily spot redirect links by highlighting them in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets.
  • Per the Layout Guide, only the release year should be provided for standalone sources such as reference books unless BTS mentions another source released in the same year. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 15:53, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
  • One last thing from me: About the first StarWars.com article listed in Sources, does (Picture only) refer to the mentions of stormtroopers in the script? The script is included in image format, but I feel like "Picture only" sounds misleading here as it suggests the troopers are depicted in it. I'd say (Indirect mention only) would be more accurate as the troopers are technically mentioned in prose, albeit not by name. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 01:43, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Two troopers are visible in the very first panel as they are being overtaken by the Mustafarians. The more obvious of the pair is the one on the right with his hand raised. Based on the coloration and the panel that comes before it in the comic itself, they are very clearly lava troopers. Cyborg Commando (talk) 03:27, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
Editor
Ayrehead
  • Star Wars: Dawn of Rebellion: The Visual Guide actually confirms the capitalizations as lava trooper in the index. Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:50, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
  • I'd avoid saying things like "easily bested" unless a source uses that terminology as it's fairly subjective. Just bested conveys the outcome. Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:50, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
  • You don't actually currently establish that Graf was on the Auric, just that it crashed and then they ambushed some rebels. Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:50, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Since you've not established that Skritt is a Peasle, it's not clear who you're talking about the first time you mention the species. Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:50, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
    • Switched to rebel as an established descriptor rather than trying to cram Peasle in somewhere. Cyborg Commando (talk) 18:48, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
  • The behind the scenes section needs to be updated to use the new name and mention when it was first identified as such. Ayrehead02 (talk) 21:13, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
    • Updated to volcanic environment stormtrooper per DoR:TVG. Cyborg Commando (talk) 07:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Given that they're all unnamed I'm having a bit of trouble working out which is which, but it seems like the two unidentified lava troopers should be linked to higher up in the article and the quote should clarify which lines are the sergeant so the two troopers can be differentiated. Ayrehead02 (talk) 21:13, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
    • That clarify things? Cyborg Commando (talk) 21:13, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
      • In the body, yes, but in the opening quote its still unclear from the attribution which lines are being delivered by the sergeant. Ayrehead02 (talk) 07:33, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
Uber
  • My biggest issue with the article currently is the sectioning. Having a section header dedicated solely to single paragraphs is not a good practice, as sectioning aims to separate large numbers of paragraphs for easier readability. Ideally, the minimum number of paragraphs under a header should be two. From my point of view, this article could do away with subheaders entirely, that would give you three paragraphs under Description and 3-4 under History. Once this is handled, I will review the rest of the article. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 07:08, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
    • The original sub-sectioning of Description was done with respect to the Layout Guide, but upon further review, that does seem optional and I agree that the separation may be bad practice. I've stripped out most all of the sub-headers, leaving only a split under History, which I feel could remain appropriate given the large time gap between the sets of events and the easy grouping of similar subject matters (Mustafarian raids, other more direct break-ins). That said, take a look, and if you think that final divider really needs to go I'll remove it. Cyborg Commando (talk) 21:48, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Ok, so Description contains a portion of information which is actually purely historical in nature rather than descriptive, especially info like this "One volcanic environment stormtrooper preferred Sentinel-class shuttles to Theta-class shuttles for their spaciousness, though another disagreed.." UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 12:17, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Removed. Cyborg Commando (talk) 23:24, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
      • That was just one example though. Information like in the third paragraph isn't a general description of the trooper but moreso information about specific encounters in specific circumstances. You may consult existing Good articles to understand how this section is handled. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 19:04, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
spookly
  • Small thing: Just eyeing over an article of this size, I think the intro could use 1-2 sentences added onto it. I'd also like to see at least one or two of the BBY years—as many as flows reasonably—added to the intro, which may be assisted by the aforementioned slight expansion.—spookywillowwtalk 19:04, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Comments

  • Does Timelines treat the stories featured in Tales from Vader's Castle as concrete fact? Otherwise, we need to treat them as tall tales, IE starting a section with something like "according to a story told by" Editoronthewiki (talk) 18:36, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 01:34, 18 December 2023 (UTC)