Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Vigrat Pomoner

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Vigrat Pomoner

  • Nominated by: 501st DogmaRepublic emblem(Comlink) 20:41, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: Project Warfare

(3 ACs/5 Users/8 Total)

Support

  1. Clone Commander Lee Talk 10:00, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
  2. ACvote Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 12:11, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Did a quick grammar fix. I'll throw in my support assuming that Menk will be satisfied. Cade Calrayn GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit 20:33, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Assuming Menkooroo is satisfied. Hanzo Hasashi 21:20, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Inqvote More Rogues! Menkooroo 01:14, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
  6. —Jedi Kasra (comlink) 22:17, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 00:48, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
  8. ACvote IFYLOFD (Floyd's crib) 23:50, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Object

Lee's charge
  • Please tell us that they fought against the Imperials on Hoth or at least that the AT-AT was Imperial.
  • After a unit of the Galactic Empire's military sent members of the Iotran Police Force into an ambush because Non-huMan lives were expendable: Could you rephrase that a little bit to reflect that this was the opinion of the Empire and not a fact?
  • Please mention a little bit earlier that Pomoner served in Rogue Squadron.
    • We can not realy tell if he served in Green, Blue, or Rogue before the Battle of Hoth as Rogue Group, which he flew in at the battle, was created just before. 501st DogmaRepublic emblem(Comlink) 21:11, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
      • Then his affiliation in the infobox should be Rogue Group and not Rogue Squadron, correct? Clone Commander Lee Talk 08:08, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
        • Rogue group later becomes Rogue squadron, though I'll change to Group in the info box. 501st DogmaRepublic emblem(Comlink) 20:48, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
  • The P&T section is pretty much a repitition of the bio if you do not tell us what the fact about the ambush tells us about his personality.
  • Maybe a mention that the Iotrans are a militaristic species?
    • Added.
  • Good work. Clone Commander Lee Talk 20:50, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
Cav
  • A male of the militaristic Iotran species, Vigrat Pomoner hailed from the Outer Rim planet Iotra. I don't think that some of the information in this sentence can be attributed to Warfare, such as the Iotrans being militaristic, or that Iotra is in the Outer Rim. If they can, can you please indicate where in Warfare (page numbers), or reference the sentence correctly using other sources.
    • Sources aded for militaristic and Outer Rim. 501st DogmaRepublic emblem(Comlink) 22:06, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
  • You do not mention that he was a member of the Iotran Police Force in the intro or bio at all. Also, it should be listed under his affiliation field in the infobox.
    • The book says "...Joined the Rebellion after an Imperial army unit sent his Iotran police force into an ambush..." according to this he is not a member of the police, but joined after IOtra's police force were sent into an ambush. 501st DogmaRepublic emblem(Comlink) 22:06, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
      • On second thought, I'm not quite sure. If you still believe he is a member, I'll put it in. 501st DogmaRepublic emblem(Comlink) 22:07, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
        • I believe the book reference shows he was a member of the police force. The use of "his" indicates a membership. - Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 23:24, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
          • Done. 501st dogma(talk) 23:35, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
  • I feel some mention should be made of Farr's fate in the battle as well, considering that she was piloting the ship when it was shot down. - Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 12:27, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
The Rogues!
  • Wes Janson is currently reffed to the Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire multimedia project, but it should be more specific. I believe it's the novel that IDs him as Rogue Four.
    • Done.
  • Category:Humans?
    • No clue who aded that. Fixed, but it's my fault it slipped past. 501st dogma(talk) 21:08, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
  • Same objection as my sixth one for Stax.
    • Fixed.
  • It can be tough to know what can be linked, but check out my copy-edit for an idea of what to link in the future. There were a few things I changed in my copy-edit for Stax that I found here too, such as "personal" instead of "personnel" and the lack of Category:Gunners --- be sure to take what you learn from each nom and apply it to all other ones. Good work. Menkooroo 20:25, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the review. 501st dogma(talk) 21:08, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • Where are you coming up with this information that this character's snowspeeder somehow appears in ESB? Outside of named characters (like Hobbie, Zev Senesca, etc.), no specific snowspeeders are ever identified in any of the ESB adaptations, certainly not in the film. My guess is you're just making a general blanket assumption that because we see a bunch of snowspeeders zooming around that one of them must therefore be Rogue Six, which is not an acceptable assumption to make. We only know canonically that this character appeared in the battle, not that he, or by extension his snowspeeder, ever appears on-screen in the film. Without any sort of literal clarification from something that says "this snowspeeder in this scene is Rogue Six," those two ESB appearances need to be removed, and the BTS needs to be revised. Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:51, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
    • 12 snow speeders appear in one frame in ESB, as well as the other sources. Since we know there were 12 fighters in rogue group, we can conclude that ine of those fighters contains Pomoner. If that does not count as a just reason to add them in, I"ll remove them, but Menk thought I should put them in Mullawny, and I put them in here as well. 501st dogma(talk) 10:52, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
      • Which scene is this in which all twelve snowspeeders appear? I'd appreciate either a screen grab or tracking numbers so I can look at this myself. Toprawa and Ralltiir 14:44, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
        • Shortly after the fighters launch, they fly over the Rebel trench. Actualy, they don't all appear in one frame, but fly across the screen one after another. I'll look for a tracking number. 501st dogma(talk) 20:01, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
          • Here at 0:48, we have all the speeders fly over the trench. 501st dogma(talk) 20:11, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
            • Just throwing my observation in - I only counted nine speeders flying over the trench, not twelve. - Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 09:16, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
              • Looks like I counted wrong, thanks Cav. I'll remove the ESB bit in both Mullawny and Pomoner, but Menk says there is a 12 speeders in one frame in Star Wars Manga: The Empire Strikes Back 1, so I'll keep that as a fighter only. Article fixed. 501st dogma(talk) 20:48, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
                • Having dealt with these sorts of retconned snowspeeder character appearances before, I've changed the formatting of the Appearances/Sources sections template to reflect the Tenk Lenso article, for one. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:24, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
                  • Just chiming in, as I originally suggested "Fighter only" --- I don't think that (Retcon) applies here. If Vigrat had been a preexisting EU character that Warfare had retconned into being in the Battle of Hoth (like Barlon Hightower, for example), it would definitely be a retcon, but this is simply a case of Warfare giving a name and identification to someone who indirectly appeared in the Manga. I'm not sure where there's a retcon here. Menkooroo 17:54, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
                    • I hope it's OK that I removed it; ping me on my talk page if you disagree. I just figured that giving a previously unidentified character a name isn't a retcon; otherwise every film character who received their name from the EU would need {{Ret}} next to their film appearance. Menkooroo 03:42, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
Exiled Jedi
  • It seems to me that the ambush should have an article.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 03:21, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
    • Done. Thanks for the review. 501st dogma(talk) 20:11, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

  • I have added some more appearances as his T-47 appears in other things. See Stax Mullawny's objections. 501st dogma(talk) 20:29, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
  • Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 23:50, June 3, 2012 (UTC)