Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Unification Wars (Republic)

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Unification Wars (Republic)

  • Nominated by: Jace Onasi (talk) 06:33, December 22, 2016 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments:This article has been severely mistreated, seen as how important it is, so I thought I'd make it a good article.

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Support

  1. My reviewing muscles are very, very rusty, so I probably missed a lot. Gotta get back in the game. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 01:30, April 25, 2017 (UTC)

Object

Imperators II
  • Everything in the succession box must be sourced per WP:LG#Succession box.
  • I'm not seeing the need to mention the compilations in the BTS section, since they largely just reprinted the info present in the original source. Imperators II(Talk) 19:05, December 22, 2016 (UTC)
  • Similarly to the date by which the Wars must have ended, you should also extrapolate the date after which they must have begun.
  • ...and both it and the date that's currently present in the infobox should be incorporated in the article's body, as well.
  • Ref 3 needs to explain why the Unification Wars must have occurred before the foundation of the Republic.
  • If the Jedi Order was victorious in the war, that should be added to the outcome field of the infobox.
  • I think the intro should be expanded even more. You should establish some of the Wars' background, i.e. some sense of the timeframe and/or mention the Infinite Empire. Zakrinand Minus should get a mention, and I believe even a mention of the fact that the Jedi joined the Republic afterwards would be good, too.
  • "Millennia before the Unification Wars" - if The New Essential Chronology doesn't mention the Unification Wars, this bit can't be sourced directly to the book.
  • Same goes for "Jedi joined with it shortly following the war".
  • "The collapse of the Infinite Empire paved the way for other powers to follow" - to me, this makes it sound like other powers also collapsed following the fall of the Infinite Empire.
  • Unless The New Essential Chronology states the Jedi joined the war from Ossus, the article shouldn't present it as such. Perhaps you can rephrase it?
  • "played a role in the victory of the Jedi" - IMO this is worded too ambiguously, the CSWE entry says those historians believed the Bendu helped the Jedi.
  • You should also include that those same historians believed the Bendu helped the Jedi achieve victory over "forces of evil".
  • Isn't there a more appropriate image that depicts Jedi from a time closer to the Unification Wars? They didn't even have lightsabers back then... :)
  • "From the chaos of war, several planets from the Core Worlds united" - as stated in the BTS, this isn't what The Essential Atlas says, so the "from the chaos of war" bit can't be sourced to that.
  • The CSWE Bendu monk entry doesn't actually say that the Bendu symbol was "adopted as the official symbol of the Galactic Republic" or that it was "due to the Force-sensitive order's peaceful nature".
  • The title should be "Unification Wars (Galactic Republic)".
  • (not an objection) I've pipelinked the Order of Dai Bendu to "Bendu monks", since the provided source doesn't identify them by that name. Imperators II(Talk) 18:09, May 22, 2017 (UTC)
Fred strikes back
  • Could you flesh out the intro a little more? Maybe just one more sentence? I understand this is a pretty short article, but I feel a couple more details about the conflict should be added, such as the combating factions and the fact that it occurred after the collapse of the Infinite Empire. The current one-sentence intro doesn't really give the reader a good summary of the article.
  • BTS needs to be referenced the same as the rest of the article.
  • In the infobox, you claim the Order of Dai Bendu's involvement is speculated by a single historian, while the body states "historians." Please clarify if it's singular or plural.
  • Zakrinand Minus should be added to the "Commanders" field in the infobox.
  • I'll do another review once these are addressed. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 22:29, March 17, 2017 (UTC)
    • I expanded the intro with a mention of the Jedi, but I couldn't find a way to incorporate the Infinite Empire without it becoming too irrelevant for an introduction.
      • Even just that one sentence helped a ton. Thanks.
    • I don't know what you're referring to about the historians. They both look plural to me. Maybe I'm going blind?
      • Seems I'm the one going blind... Apologies.
    • Minus can't really be added to the infobox because we don't know what side he fought for. It would be speculation to put him on either side.--Jace Onasi (talk) 11:06, March 21, 2017 (UTC)
      • I must've missed the comments below. It's a tricky situation since we want all relevant information in the infobox, but doing so here would require speculation. I suppose we should err on the side of accuracy as opposed to comprehensiveness in this case. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 23:10, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

Comments

  • I'm not sure what quotes, if any, would be suitable for this article. I've only managed to find ones for the prelude and aftermath, myself. I think it is fine without them, but if any of you can find any suitable quotes to fit the four sections of the article, I'll add them.--Jace Onasi (talk) 06:33, December 22, 2016 (UTC)
  • I am pretty clueless as to what to do with Zakrinand Minus in the infobox. We don't know what side he fought for, I just presume not on the side of the Jedi, based on descriptions of Minus and the involvement of the Jedi in the wars. As it would be speculation to put him on either side, what am I to do about it?--Jace Onasi (talk) 00:38, December 30, 2016 (UTC)
  • I made a few changes. Check the article's history to see the reasoning behind them. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 22:29, March 17, 2017 (UTC)