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Unidentified Sith diplomat

  • Nominated by: OLIOSTER (talk) 03:28, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: Sith? Republic? I'm the man with the lightsaber.

3 ACs/3 Users/6 Total)

Support

  1. Politics, pffft. –Tm_T (Talk) 12:55, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
  2. ACvote 1358 (Talk) 08:59, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Graestan(Talk) 17:38, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
  4. ACvote Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:47, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Late review, no problems.—Jedi Kasra (comlink) 03:51, November 13, 2010 (UTC)
  6. ACvote JangFett (Talk) 16:54, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Object

Tm
  • Couple first sentences in the bio: I think Revan is introduced a bit too early, also the context of the hearing in my mind should be introduced earlier. Perhaps a dot after the year and then the hearing and along?
    • Moved the mention of Revan to the very end of the intro. The article isn't about him, so he just gets to be a footnote :). OLIOSTER (talk) 06:20, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
  • In overall, all seems to be there but the text doesn't flow, have feeling of reading a list of facts instead of prose. This is not objection itself but might do good to fix.
    • If I see ways to help the flow, I will. OLIOSTER (talk) 06:22, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
      • Already better now, I might come up with some suggestions later. (: --Tm_T (Talk) 11:53, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
  • Didn't spot else now, will reread soon, hopefully without flu. (: --Tm_T (Talk) 19:41, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
Xd1358
  • Could you start the intro with his species and gender, rather than his job? He wasn't a Sith diplomat, he worked as one.
  • Any reason why the year needs two references? Seems redundant to me.
    • Cylka said the same thing, but I was just going for completeness. Removed one. OLIOSTER (talk) 08:19, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
  • Some slight context on Manaan in the bio; even just [[planet]] would be good.
  • Revan being a Jedi Padawan is intro-only at the moment.
    • Changed "member" to Padawan in the bio. OLIOSTER (talk) 08:19, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
  • Some minor context on Malak?
    • I relinked him as Darth Malak, is this sufficient? OLIOSTER (talk) 08:19, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
  • Don't we have some kind of template that could be used when the player in Kotor has a chance to do something? That Bts info of Revan speaking with the diplomat could be set in the bio as well, if we have that kind of template, right?
    • I've added a bit about Revan speaking with him to the end, and is Template:Gamemechanics what you're speaking of? I would also like to note that it is possible for the player to go through the entire game without seeing this event take place. There is no immediate reason for the player to enter the courtroom prior to the Raid on the Sith Embassy.OLIOSTER (talk) 08:19, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
      • I wrapped the bio in the Gamemechanics template and noted in the Bts section about the possibility of the player never meeting this character. OLIOSTER (talk) 08:33, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
  • 1358 (Talk) 08:07, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
Graestan
  • There has to be a better source to cite than IMDb for the voice-over. Graestan(Talk) 14:56, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
    • How about gut feeling? :P The manual only says he provided "additional voices", but I know it's him. However, I can simply remove it if you like, cause I know of no other source that specifies Cam Clarke voicing the character. OLIOSTER (talk) 15:48, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
      • I went ahead and referenced the game manual in addition to IMDb per our discussing on IRC. OLIOSTER (talk) 16:40, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • I feel like the article should do a better job of contextualizing who the Selkath are. The name is dropped in without any explanation in the P/T, and the reference is lost on someone like myself who is unfamiliar with the video game.
    • Added that they were Manaan's native sentient species. OLIOSTER (talk) 23:34, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
  • Is there a specific reason why "Sith Diplomat" is capitalized here? As in, does the video game itself present the title in this way? "They are both given the generic name of Sith Diplomat as well"
    • In the game, the HUD fully capitalizes their names, as in "SITH DIPLOMAT", and the dialog.tlk file lists it as Sith Diplomat. Probably not readily apparent though, so de-capitalized. OLIOSTER (talk) 23:34, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
  • I'm somewhat unclear on the meaning behind Reference 4's note: "(licensed source doesn't state exactly)." Can you explain that for me a little bit? Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:23, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
    • This was part of Graestan's objections. To anyone who has heard Cam Clarke in his other roles, like Metal Gear Solid, it's obvious he is voicing the character. However, the manual only states he did "additional voices". I used IMDb as a source, but Grae had a problem with it, and suggested that I add to the reference that the licensed source doesn't explicitly state he voiced the character. OLIOSTER (talk) 23:34, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 16:54, November 13, 2010 (UTC)


  • Lets try this again, shall we. Thank you Cylka for your initial pre-nom review. My reasoning for this character and Grann being separate characters is explained on the talk page. OLIOSTER (talk) 03:28, October 20, 2010 (UTC)