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Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper|Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper (Yoda's saber throw)

(3 ACs/3 Users/6 Total)

Support

  1. Pre-nom reviewed. Master Jonathan — Jedi Council Chambers Saturday, July 16, 2011, 22:34 UTC
  2. ACvote Kilson(Let's have a chat) 07:00, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
  3. GTQ(Problems?) 19:28, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Assuming other users are satisfied with their objections. Hanzo Hasashi 15:08, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
  5. ACvote Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:02, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
  6. ACvote CC7567 (talk) 02:16, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Object

Kilson
  • Reload the Infobox.
    • Done (but why?).
      • First of all, you forgot the mass field in the original version, and also, when you reload the infobox, remember to delete the extra Eras template. You should only have one Eras template when you are done.
  • In the Bio, "After securing the Temple and killing most Jedi inside, the trooper and several other clones..." This sentence makes it sound as if the trooper was responsible for killing multiple Jedi. Please try to rephrase it.
  • Are you sure that the clone was played by Morrison. Many of the clone troopers are CGI in Episode III, so I don't see how you can say this one was played by Morrison.
    • Stupid TCW. You get used to it. Removed.
  • Otherwise, looks good. Kilson(Let's have a chat) 02:41, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • Can we not upload a new version of the infobox picture to zoom in, or at least focus, on the clone trooper, rather than having to show the entire scene and leaving an unnecessary image caption in the infobox? 22:58, July 24, 2011 (UTC)
    • I saw this and had a minute to spare with jpegcrop: File:DeathByShiak501stTrooper-ROTS.jpg The average border color to use for |imagebg= is #281818, if you decide to use it. NAYAYEN 17:31, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
    • Thank you very much I added it. Clone Commander Lee Talk 18:05, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
  • If the article is going to consistently refer to this guy as a "501st Legion clone trooper," the article title should actually reflect this. I strongly suggest moving this article to "Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper (Yoda's saber throw)" Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:45, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
  • Please provide canonical textual evidence for why the article should refer generally to the Jedi Temple as "the Temple" and not "the temple."
  • The second paragraph of the article should provide more of an explanation for the backdrop of what's going on with the assault on the temple. Specifically, the article should explain why they are attacking and why the Jedi are branded as traitors--because Palpatine is trying to seize control of the Republic.
  • The intro provides specific detail about squads of other clone troopers being tasked to garrison the temple, but the body of the article leaves this detail out. This needs to be explained more specifically in the second paragraph, not dropped in at the last second in the third paragraph. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:56, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
    • Adressed. Thanks for the review and sorry for the delay in adressing the objections. Clone Commander Lee Talk 17:59, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
Jang
  • For chronological correctness, Vader and the 501st did not attack the Jedi Temple after the Order 66 was issued, it was before. In the intro, it sounds like the former.
    • I respectfully disagree. Palpatine gives Order 66 after he sends Vader, but the attack and Order 66 are at least concurrent. Also Battlefront II clearly states that Order 66 was given and tehn the 501st attacked the Jedi Temple.
      • In the ROTS film, Vader and the 501st attacked the Jedi Temple before Order 66 was issued. In terms of higher continuity, ROTS should be referred to over Battlefront II. Please find a way to change this. JangFett (Talk) 02:34, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
        • Though I'm still not sure if that's correct, I changed it for the bio and the intro. Clone Commander Lee Talk 10:29, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
          • "In 19 BBY, the trooper and his unit, the 501st Legion, attacked the Jedi Temple on the Republic capital planet Coruscant, after three Jedi Masters had tried to arrest Supreme Chancellor Palpatine." You don't need to mention anything about Mace Windu's attempt to arrest Palpatine since that happened at a different time. What you can do, and I will explain this more below, is mention "prior to the execution of Order 66" (with the same context I gave it, or shorter/straight-to-the-point, which might be better), or something along those lines, before mentioning the trooper attacked the Jedi Temple in the intro. JangFett (Talk) 17:02, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
  • Same thing for the bio
    • See above.
      • I meant this objection. Clone Commander Lee Talk 08:00, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
        • Lee, please know that I do see all my objections. You normally don't fully address your objections, and I left this open so I can check it later on. I did, however, correct this objection myself. JangFett (Talk) 18:07, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
  • "The Jedi proved to be too powerful for the clones," Too speculative. Please reword.
    • Better?
  • As a side note, I still don't understand these recent clone trooper articles that have "This clone, like Jango Fett, stood 1.83 meters" in the P&T. It seems highly irrelevant for me. Also, please watch your linking. For pipelink links, Lee, I saw a few instances of: [[Blah|Blah]]s. That "s" hanging outside the brackets needs to be placed within [[Blah|Blahs]]. You should know this by now. Other than that, good work. JangFett (Talk) 23:53, July 24, 2011 (UTC)
    • For the linking I'll take a closer look at this in the future. For the P&T info, I only know that these info should be there. It seem irrelevant for me to, but I don't make the rules. Thanks for the review. Clone Commander Lee Talk 18:05, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
      • There's no rule that I'm aware of but rather people "following the crowd." Something that should be looked over. This is not a formal objection by the way, just a sidenote. JangFett (Talk) 02:32, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
  • "In 19 BBY, Supreme Chancellor Palpatine was attacked by three Jedi Masters after the Jedi had found out that he was in truth their arch enemy, Sith Lord Darth Sidious." What does this have to do with anything relating to the trooper?
    • Removed.
  • "During their guard duty, the trooper and his comrades were attacked by two surviving Jedi" Since you removed any brief mention of Order 66—you didn't have to remove this fully—now this sounds like Yoda and Obi-Wan survived some attack in the Jedi Temple.
    • Changed. What do you think about GTQ's objection about context for Kenobis and Yodas mission? Clone Commander Lee Talk 17:12, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
      • Still remains JangFett (Talk) 23:14, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
        • Still remains JangFett (Talk) 11:24, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
          • Done. 08:00, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
  • One more, in the intro you said the trooper and others were tasked with garrisoning the Temple, but in the bio, you just state that he just stood guard with no mentioning of the garrisoning. JangFett (Talk) 23:14, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
    • Adressed. Could you please take a look at your second objection? I'm not sure if you forgot to strike it or if it is still standing. Clone Commander Lee Talk 10:06, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
GTQ
  • This might go under the so fix it rule but is the caption needed for the infobox picture he is the only clone trooper in the picture GTQ(Problems?) 00:57, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
  • Reword the sentence in the intro from in 19BBY to where it say Coruscant. It makes it sound as if the trooper is not part of the 501st.
  • In the intro and body Context on why Yoda and Kenobi were there and what they was doing.
    • That's not relevant to the trooper and would be too much context.
      • Yes but you stil need to say why he was there otherwise it just sounds as if it was some random attack when if was not. GTQ(Problems?) 12:25, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
        • I really think it is sufficient to leave it as it is. The exact causes for Kenobis and Yodas raid are not relevant for the article. I have to differ between neccessary context and too-much-info-stuff. I would say that the info you want to see included falls under the last category. However, if several other users or ACs agree with your opinion, I will change it. Clone Commander Lee Talk 16:52, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
  • In general saying the trooper and makes it sound as if he was special when he is not he is just another trooper.GTQ(Problems?) 02:19, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
    • The article is about the character and this point of view. Therefore it should be written that way. Clone Commander Lee Talk 10:21, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
Genre Explorer
  • I fail to see why an unnamed clone with no distinct actions needs a personal page. I could see a page on the actions of the 501st, but why "a random clone from the 501st" needs to be a highlighted page...I don't understand.—Unsigned comment by Genre Explorer (talk • contribs)
    • First please sign your posts. Second the purpose of a good article is to showcase how an article is written, not the charectar it is about. Thrid the above is all in the GA rules or MOS so read them before making further objections. And Fourth and character that there is a resonable amount of info about (this is plenty. There are much smaller ones out there) gets and article on wookieepedia. GTQ(Problems?) 02:07, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
      • GTQ, please make use of the {{Unsigned}} template if you see unsigned comments. Thanks. JangFett (Talk) 02:34, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
        • I would like to see this objection overwritten because it has no real sense. Clone Commander Lee Talk 10:21, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
          • Genre Explorer, this "objection" is better suited for the comments section. Hanzo Hasashi 15:12, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
  • To the original author of this objection, this comment is not considered an acceptable point to make an objection about, according to the list of viable objection points posted at the top of this page. If you don't think this article should exist, that's fine, but this is not the place to bring up this argument. You should detail your reasoning and potentially nominate the article for deletion in Wookieepedia's Trash compactor forum. As long as this article exists, it is fair game for a Good article nomination. I would suggest striking this objection and taking your case there. If this objection is not struck within due time, the AgriCorps will eventually remove it on the aforementioned grounds. Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:45, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
  • Objection(s) overridden by AgriCorps 02:42, August 7, 2011 (UTC)
Hanzo Hasashi
  • Post-support objection: Sideshow made a figure of Yoda and this clone trooper, as can be seen here. Add this to sources, and also check the backstory to see if there is anything new about this trooper. Hanzo Hasashi 15:18, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
    • Added the source. No new info about the trooper. Thanks for the great catch. Clone Commander Lee Talk 08:32, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 02:44, August 7, 2011 (UTC)


  • Not an objection, but have you checked adaptations for this trooper? Hanzo Hasashi 15:08, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
    • Yep indead. The fight is eluded in most, and when you see something of it, you can't identify this trooper in there. Clone Commander Lee Talk 08:01, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
      • That's what I assumed, but just checking. Hanzo Hasashi 03:31, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Vote to strike objection (AC only)

  1. ACvote Initiating motion to strike outstanding invalid objection by User:Genre Explorer. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:18, August 6, 2011 (UTC)
  2. ACvote CC7567 (talk) 22:23, August 6, 2011 (UTC)
  3. ACvote Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 02:33, August 7, 2011 (UTC)