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Trask Lucan

(5 ACs/3 Users/8 Total)

Support

  1. ACvote Supporting the proliferation of WEG characters. Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 10:17, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
  2. ACvote Cylka-talk- 00:33, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
  3. ACvote Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 20:45, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
  4. ACvote Chack Jadson (Talk) 14:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
  5. SoresuMakashi(Everything I tell you is a lie) 06:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
  6. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 19:53, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
  7. Good and interesting article. Pranay Sobusk ~ Talk 10:40, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
  8. ACvote Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:12, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Object

  1. Toprawa:
    • Article requires a divide between introduction and biography. Toprawa and Ralltiir 15:46, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
      • Addressed. I thought it was too short to have the introduction and biography sections, but if you say so... QuiGonJinnBe mindful of the Living Force...Quigonheadshot 16:42, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
        • Unless the article is stub, no article will be too short that it shouldn't have an introduction and a biography. Moreover, all Character articles, such as this one, should conform to Wookieepedia's Layout Guide for Character articles, which you will see requires a "Biography" section. Finally, as a reinforcement of the Layout Guide, GAN Rule 7 states that an article must "…have a proper lead that gives a good summary of the topic if the length of the article supports it. This is essential in articles over 1000 words but may not be appropriate on articles with limited content." And also, GAN Rule 9 reads that articles must "…have significant information, especially a biography for character articles." Should you indeed find that article writing is for you, I would strongly recommend familiarizing yourself with both the Layout Guide and the GAN rules. Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
          • if the length of the article supports it. That's what confused me. I thought it didn't support. After re-reading the Layout guide, I understand I was wrong. QuiGonJinnBe mindful of the Living Force...Quigonheadshot 10:03, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
    • Unless I'm interpreting this incorrectly, the BTS claims that regardless of the outcome, Lucan reclaims his ship from the governor. Can this not be worked into the biography? Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:59, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
  2. The intro is supposed to be a summary of the biography, so it shouldn't include unique info. I also suspect this could be fleshed out considerably. I.e. you say he was a New Republic agent in the first sentence but don't elaborate on that at all later. Things should be in chronological order. "Lucan was stranded on the planet Glova after the planetary governor Tegist Byrg set him up and confiscated his ship, the Lucan's Nightmare" should start off with a mention that he had a ship then mention he was set up - and elaborate on it if info's availible - and then say he was stranded. As is, detail and elaboration throughout the article is quite hazy. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 17:05, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
    • OK, I've reworded the article. The problem is that it is not elaborated on how was he set up, how he obtained the ship, joined the New Republic, why didn't he ask the ambassador for help in the first place, etc. in the source. It just gives the facts. QuiGonJinnBe mindful of the Living Force...Quigonheadshot 18:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
      • Admittedly, I haven't checked over this as thoroughly as I would—I had a quick look and everything appeared okay, and I trust the judgment of the users who have supported. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 18:15, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
  3. From the squadron briefing of Cavalier One:
    • You mention that the adventure was part of the anthology series Classic Adventures, but do not list that in the sources.
      • Forgot that. Fixed now.
    • As there are two sources containing the character, the article will need to be referenced.
      • Sourced.
    • As there are two sources, check both carefully; sometimes extra information was added to adventures when they were reprinted/ anthologised. - Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 08:59, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
      • You are right. But it seems that in his case, extra information was excluded from the reprint. I've found the quote and his height in the original source. QuiGonJinnBe mindful of the Living Force...Quigonheadshot 13:58, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
        • You don't generally need two ref tags to source one item if the information is the same in both sources, so I removed the Classic Adventure refs. - Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 10:17, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
  4. Cylka:
    • Trask Lucan was born on the planet Hyder. His father had been a pilot and it was obvious from very early that Trask would follow in his father's footsteps. At a very young age, he soloed for the first time, and thereafter was always at the controls. After his father was shot down by the Empire after being suspected of smuggling, Trask swore vengeance upon them. He had been fighting ever since. - This paragraph needs to be written in your own words. Please do so.
    • Trask was an eternal optimist. His talent for acting has allowed him to play the part of the extremely down-on-his-luck ship captain, but he was really quite happy with the way things had gone. His enthusiasm for the New Republic was matched only by his enthusiasm for strong drink. - This needs to be rewritten in your own words as well.
      • Reworded both a bit. I hope it's enough.
    • The exact outcome of the battle is unknown, though Byrg was either captured or escaped on the Nightmare and was later followed by smugglers hired by Makina. - This statement is a bit OOU. It would be best to rewrite it in such a way as to leave out the speculation.
      • It is not speculation. There are two possible outcomes of the battle as stated at the end of the adventure. I reworded the first part though to make it sound less OOU.QuiGonJinnBe mindful of the Living Force...Quigonheadshot 11:22, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
    • Once you have reworded these statements, I'll be more than happy to take another look at this article. Cylka-talk- 04:57, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
  5. Chack Attack:
    • "The exact outcome of the battle is unknown, though Byrg was either captured or escaped on the Nightmare and was later followed by smugglers hired by Makina." Avoid phrases like this, containing weasel words like "outcome is unknown."
      • As I said to Cylka's objection, I can't entirely reword it, since it is stated in the source. I think getting rid of the "outcome is unknown" part helps.
    • Also, remember that reference tags go right after punctuation, with no space in between. I may have more later. Chack Jadson (Talk) 19:51, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
  6. From the Moffship of Grand Moff Tranner:
    • Link to his ship in the intro.
    • Link to Robert Makina in the intro as well.
      • Both linked.
    • "He was a gambler, a skilled mechanic and pilot, possessed a heavy blaster pistol and a vacuum suit." - Needs some grammatical fixing. Also, what do his possessions have to do with his personality and traits? Those two items might be better off in the Bio.
      • Addressed.
    • Is Byrg a New Republic governor, or is Glova unaffiliated with either the Empire or Republic? Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 23:52, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 04:12, 7 February 2009 (UTC)