Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Shura

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Shura

(5 ACs/0 Users/5 Total)

Support

  1. ACvote Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 19:39, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
  2. ACvote Grunny (talk) 23:41, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
  3. ACvote Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 01:19, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  4. ACvote Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:32, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
  5. ACvote 1358 (Talk) 18:09, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Object

Jujiggum
  • Factual mistake in the intro (just a minor one)
    • Not sure what you mean. Is there a wrong fact or is there a fact which leads to a wrong fact? Clone Commander Lee Talk 16:59, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
      • I mean that you state something that is incorrect. More particularly, something that is not and cannot be proven by the source. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 17:22, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
  • Intro-exclusive information (just a tiny bit)
  • In the intro, you don't make the connection of why Khai was summoned to the Circle of Lords. You state the fact, but you don't connect it to its effect.
  • Missing context for Circle Chambers and Circle of Lords
  • I think there's a little too much context for the Lost Tribe of Sith in the bio. Is that much really necessary for so short an article?
  • The capitol was not a Sith Temple; it was merely a capitol building.
  • "and was strong enough in the Force to open…" Wouldn't that be, more particularly, strong enough in telekinesis?
  • How exactly was the entrance to the Chambers hidden?
  • Missing a tiny point about her personality and one of her powers.
    • Added. Clone Commander Lee Talk 15:52, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
      • The personality point remains. As for her ability to hide her presence in the Force—the novel doesn't necessarily state this; just that Vestara didn't sense them. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 16:20, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
        • Clarified this ability point. Clone Commander Lee Talk 16:33, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
          • Incorrect information has been added here. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 16:36, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
            • Removed incorrect info. Clone Commander Lee Talk 16:50, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
            • I don't think that she nodded accretive when Khai politely spoke to the trio is a fact which should be in the bio. Clone Commander Lee Talk 16:59, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
              • Uh, no idea what you mean by "nodded accretive" (accretive is a word meaning "growing in size or extent"). But I would agree with you that the nod isn't necessarily needed on its own, except that, the way it's written in the novel, there is something about her personality that can be drawn from the action. Also, that's not the only point about her personality that was given in the novel. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 17:22, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
                • Huh? You can draw somethin about her personality when she nodded? Not clear for me. Also what other point? Shura just comes, nods after Khai talks to the Sabers and then tells her to follow her. Clone Commander Lee Talk 17:30, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
                  • That is purely incorrect. Firstly, I'd really rather not hand you the information of what you can draw from her nod—it's not just the fact that she nodded, it is the context given to the nod in the novel. Secondly, that is absolutely not all that she does. You have still failed to mention the point about her personality that I have been looking for from the beginning. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 17:33, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
                    • Now all her actions are potrayed in the P&T. Let me know what you think. Clone Commander Lee Talk 17:50, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
                      • You've placed them in the P&A, where they have absolutely no relevance. Furthermore, you have failed to draw the conclusions about Shura's personality as I asked of you. I don't want you to just list her actions; like you said, that would be unnecessary. However, conclusions about her personality can be drawn from her actions. You need to mention what her actions tell you about her personality. Also, please fix your grammar. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 17:55, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
                        • Honestly I have no idea what conclusions you can draw from these actions. I'll place it in the P&T if you clarify what you mean. Clone Commander Lee Talk 17:59, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
                          • I'm not going to tell you how to write the article; this is your nomination, not mine, so that's not my job. Her actions say some things about her personality, and it is your job to appropriately make note of them. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 15:06, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
                            • Very well you made your position clear. Please try it now. However, I still respectfully disagree with your opinion that we can assume something about her personality from such actions. Clone Commander Lee Talk 16:46, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
                              • This objection is not based on the matter of an opinion on whether or not we can draw conclusions about her personality—I know we can because I could go write up the P&T right now for you. However, this is your nomination, not mine, and it is not my, the other ACs', or any other reviewer's job to write the article for you. As for the section itself: I don't know how I can make myself clearer, but it seems you completely ignored me when I told you that "accretive" does not work at all how you are using it—unless you mean to say that her nod grew in size and extent. Furthermore, there are several various grammar mistakes in your current rewrite of the P&T, and you have yet again failed to draw appropriate conclusions about her personality. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 16:55, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
                                • I never said anything abou the you or anyone else should write this article. However, you can not say that you draw conclusions from these actions and I have the same conclusions about her actions. I'm not able to write exat the same P&T you would find correct. About grammar and the wrong word: These should be fine now. Clone Commander Lee Talk 17:05, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
                                  • Incorrect on several points: Firstly, you suggested that I should tell you what conclusions to make; it's not my job to gather your information and present how to write it for you. Secondly, you can draw conclusions from her actions, and you have finally done so yourself, although not entirely satisfactorily. And one spelling mistake still remains. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 17:28, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
                                    • Indeed. I hope this little discussion does not hinder any other things. Please try it the P&T fits now. 17:55, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
                                      • Okay, I've tweaked the wording some, but you got it for the most part, so I'll strike this. Please check out the change I made, though. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 19:39, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
  • Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 14:58, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
  • Now you have added incorrect info in the bio. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 16:20, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
Grunny
  • Is there a reason why the female Sith Saber here has an article but the male one does not? "Shura, together with a male and a female Sith Saber". If not, can you at least put a redlink there or, even better, create an article for him? Grunny (talk) 04:10, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
Moffship
  • Please cut back on the amount of context for Vestara, especially in the intro. There's just a bit too much for an article dealing with a person she meets only briefly. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 20:02, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 18:09, November 9, 2010 (UTC)


  • In my last copyedit I decided to separate the dialogue so that there's a quote for each section; I thought it functioned better that way. However, if you preferred having it all together as the main quote, definitely feel free to change it back, this is just a personal preference and by no means objection-worthy. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 19:39, November 3, 2010 (UTC)