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Senatorial arrests

  • Nominated by: Vitus InfinitusTalk 04:32, February 22, 2018 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments:A key moment in Palpatine's grab for power

(3 ACs/4 Users/7 Total)

Support

  1. I expect you to create the Legends version at some point. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 06:29, March 2, 2018 (UTC)
  2. —Tommy-Macaroni Imperial Emblem (TAKE A SEAT) 08:12, March 2, 2018 (UTC)
  3. Nice work! TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders AnilSerifoglu (talk) 21:46, March 2, 2018 (UTC)
  4. --Lewisr (talk) 02:12, March 4, 2018 (UTC)
  5. ACvote Lookin' tough. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 07:46, May 20, 2018 (UTC)
  6. ACvote 1358 (Talk) 15:11, May 20, 2018 (UTC)
  7. ACvote MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 04:20, May 22, 2018 (UTC)

Object

Tommy
AV
Senatorial Anil
  • Archive.org has been lately unable to properly format archived versions of StarWars.com pages for some reason. For example, if you open up this article's link to the archive of the Darth Sidious Databank page, you'll see it ultimately just takes you to a blank white page that will never stop loading. For the most part, SW.com pages from early 2017 and before load fine, but any archive pages since the middle/end of 2017 to present will not work. So you need to find an archive.org capture that actually works, or save the page through WebCite. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders AnilSerifoglu (talk) 12:14, March 2, 2018 (UTC)
    • I was able to use archive.is, link fixed!--Vitus InfinitusTalk 15:56, March 2, 2018 (UTC)
      • Archive.is links work fine, but I find archive.org links much better, so I searched for working archive.org links and changed them if you don't mind :) TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders AnilSerifoglu (talk) 21:46, March 2, 2018 (UTC)
  • I think it would be beneficial to have links for the Rebels Recon episode on The Siege of Lothal and the Bail Organa's Databank entry for people to directly access these sources in the references. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders AnilSerifoglu (talk) 12:14, March 2, 2018 (UTC)
    • Like so?--Vitus InfinitusTalk 15:57, March 2, 2018 (UTC)
      • This isn't mentioned in those sources so not sure including in the sources section works really --Lewisr (talk) 16:00, March 2, 2018 (UTC)
        • What I meant was to put the link instead of saying "the Rebels Recon episode on Star Wars Rebels: The Siege of Lothal," but I phrased it terribly. I have changed that for you, since you have already taken care of the others. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders AnilSerifoglu (talk) 21:46, March 2, 2018 (UTC)
Lewisr
  • Can Palpatine's full name be sourced to the rebel files?
  • There's a red link that needs creating in the aftermath section --Lewisr (talk) 00:58, March 3, 2018 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure how relevant the section starting with 'Decades after the end of the Galactic Civil War' is to the senatorial arrests --Lewisr (talk) 01:30, March 3, 2018 (UTC)
    • Made it a bit more relevant, but let me know if you think it's better to remove the GCW instead--Vitus InfinitusTalk 01:41, March 3, 2018 (UTC)
      • Still not really sure how relevant to the actual event it is. It might be better to take it out and add some context as to what the rebel files are instead, you say Mon Mothma noted in the rebel files but you don't really say what the rebel files are --Lewisr (talk) 01:46, March 3, 2018 (UTC)
Fred strikes back
  • The ref notes need to not use "we" in them. "We" don't say or do anything in our articles. It's best to use "It can be deduced..."
  • I don't have the source, but does the HoloNet headline used as the main quote have a period at the end? It's kind of odd for a headline to have a period, so I'm just curious. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 21:59, March 28, 2018 (UTC)
Imperatorial arrests
  • Ref 2 doesn't mention how the arrests are connected to the Proclamation of the New Order.
  • For all we know, the duel on Mustafar could have been concurrent to the arrests. All we know it happened no later than 2 days AFE while the arrests happened no earlier than 1 day AFE. Imperators II(Talk) 10:56, March 29, 2018 (UTC)
    • Fixed ref note--Vitus InfinitusTalk 13:09, March 29, 2018 (UTC)
      • That doesn't mean we definitely know those events were concurrent, either. You should just remove the links to the duel articles as they cannot be placed firmly enough in the timeline relative to the arrests. Amidala's funeral is OK, though. Imperators II(Talk) 14:02, April 1, 2018 (UTC)
        • Fixed--Vitus InfinitusTalk 21:09, April 2, 2018 (UTC)
          • The Amidala's ref needs to be expanded to mention why it happens later than two days AFE, information which isn't provided by ROTS. Imperators II(Talk) 10:58, April 5, 2018 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • Regarding Reference 7, I'm assuming you're taking that scene from Star Wars: The Complete Saga? If so, that would be the more appropriate item to source that to. Check out Reference 12 here. I'd recommend formatting your citation like that. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:08, April 17, 2018 (UTC)
    • I'm not familiar with Star Wars: The Complete Saga has, but if it's a reliable source for a canon article I can definitely switch it to that.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 23:13, April 17, 2018 (UTC)
      • Well, where did you find the contents of that deleted scene, then? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:16, April 17, 2018 (UTC)
        • Bail Organa's biography gallery and the article Cantham House meetings cites Ultimate Star Wars that the scene was canonized--Vitus InfinitusTalk 23:20, April 17, 2018 (UTC)
          • Firstly, Wookieepedia is not a source. That means just because you find something in another article doesn't mean it's true or correct. More importantly, never rely on another article to do your fact-checking for you. Verify the contents of sources for yourself. It sounds like you haven't even looked at Ultimate Star Wars, for example. Secondly, I'm not sure I agree that these two sources mean the contents of that deleted scene have been canonized. Rather, it looks to me like the substance of that deleted scene has been canonized, insofar as the information we're given from the Bail Organa entry and Ultimate Star Wars. In other words, the information from those two sources is what you should be using to present and cite in this article, not the deleted scene itself. As far as I know, we haven't been given any indication in new canon that deleted scenes are canon in full. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:30, April 17, 2018 (UTC)
            • Okay, thanks for clearing that up. I didn't realize using a reference used in multiple articles as a note was not allowed, I'll try to see if I can confirm what Ultimate Star Wars says and if need be look for other sources and change the article accordingly.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 23:40, April 17, 2018 (UTC)
              • It's not that it's not allowed. It's that you shouldn't assume something is correct because another article says something. Check the material yourself, in other words. But for this article, I would recommend just using what those two sources say regarding the Cantham House meetings. Disregard the deleted scene completely. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:43, April 17, 2018 (UTC)
                • Ah okay. I checked the databank entries but I since I didn't own Ultimate SW I assumed, I should have asked instead. I'll make the changes, thanks!--Vitus InfinitusTalk 23:48, April 17, 2018 (UTC)
  • I feel like you should be able to get a higher-quality version of the infobox image. I don't know if that came from a pdf or what, but I have to believe a good, high-quality scan could capture that image with less fade and blur. In addition, there's a bit of the image that has been unnecessarily cropped off from both the right and left edges that could be re-included with a fresh scan. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:20, May 4, 2018 (UTC)
    • Just clarifying the status of this objection: The original uploader stated that this image was uploaded via use of a cellphone picture, which is not ideal, so a physical scan will absolutely give us a higher-quality version. Please consider this a requirement per GAN Rule 14. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:53, May 4, 2018 (UTC)
      • I understand, I don't have the equipment nor a copy of the book with me for a scan so I'm asking around, thanks!--Vitus InfinitusTalk 19:55, May 4, 2018 (UTC)
        • New version uploaded. It's the best I could get my hands on, since not many people have the book--Vitus InfinitusTalk 15:02, May 7, 2018 (UTC)
          • It's definitely better, but I still think a higher-quality version can be obtained with a better scanner. I'll give you a break since the book has only been released in that expensive box-set format thus far, but once the mass-market version is released in July, there's no reason not to be able to satisfy the image-quality rule. Not having the book and/or a scanner isn't really an excuse; if you're nominating a subject, it's your responsibility to be able to satisfy all site rules. Assuming this nomination passes before then, I'll be checking back in on this image upon the first AC meeting after the book's July publication date. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:55, May 10, 2018 (UTC)
            • Okay thank you, hopefully I can get my hands on a better version by then--Vitus InfinitusTalk 00:44, May 11, 2018 (UTC)
  • Given that BBY/ABY is our current dating standard for Canon, I think the article should include the 19 BBY date in the infobox. I would list it as two bullets (not cascading), 19 BBY first, 1 day AFE second. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:05, May 10, 2018 (UTC)
  • I'm curious where you're getting this capitalized "First Galactic Empire" from in the Prelude section's quote and image caption. Is this from the film's subtitles? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:18, May 10, 2018 (UTC)
  • The article should follow the layout precedent for event articles, which is basically what you have with the exception of "Legacy." That section is effectively synonymous with Aftermath, so just reformat the Legacy section as a subsection of Aftermath, which will allow you to keep both quotes. Just find a better title for that subsection, since, again, "Legacy" is basically the same as "Aftermath." Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:23, May 10, 2018 (UTC)
  • Since the focus of the article is on the Senate (namely those senators who end up getting arrested), I think the Prelude section would do better to use this image instead, with the caption "Supreme Chancellor Palpatine transforms the Republic into the first Galactic Empire before the ovational Senate." Don't use that file from that wiki, though. Upload a high-res Blu-ray version. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:40, May 10, 2018 (UTC)
    • This nomination is subject to AgriCors removal in about 21 hours since you have yet to respond to this objection. Don't let it come to that. It's an easy enough fix, and people, including yourself, have spent quite a lot of time to fix up this article. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 02:15, May 20, 2018 (UTC)
      • Shoot, not sure how I missed this. Taken care of, sorry!--Vitus InfinitusTalk 05:51, May 20, 2018 (UTC)
  • Reviewing note. Don't pipelink as, for example, [[Dark Lord of the Sith|Dark Lord]] of the [[Sith]] or [[Theta-class T-2c shuttle|''Theta''-class]] [[shuttle]]. We don't do that. Stick it all in a single link upon first mention: [[Dark Lord of the Sith]], [[Theta-class T-2c shuttle|''Theta''-class shuttle]].
    • Ah okay. Does this apply to something like [[Mission to Mustafar|destroy]] and change the article to explicitly say [[mission to Mustafar]] or will that not be necessary? Thanks--Vitus InfinitusTalk 18:30, May 11, 2018 (UTC)
      • It's more for formal compound subjects, such as Dark Lord of the Sith and Ship-class ship. Battles and events offer more leeway for pipelinking. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:06, May 11, 2018 (UTC)
  • The 0 ABY date can't be sourced to Rebel Files, which never mentions it: "They died there in 0 ABY..." And before you knee-jerk add the Star Wars Annual 1 reference there, I'd like you to demonstrate how that comic can be used as a source for the hard date of 0 ABY, because I don't think it can.
    • Removed date seeing as how we don't know the exact placement of Annual 1, only that it is after the Battle of Yavin, which can be attributed to Rebel Files--Vitus InfinitusTalk 19:03, May 11, 2018 (UTC)
  • I am unfamiliar with the events of Star Wars Annual 1, but if the imprisoned senators were executed, as I'm gathering, it would be much more effective to specify that than simply saying they "died."
  • Contrary to the discussion above, I'm reinstating my objection for the quality of the infobox image. JMAS apparently has the ability to get exceptionally high-quality scans from this book. Ask him to help you. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:24, May 11, 2018 (UTC)
    • JMAS has stated that he does not have have access to the book as he said here--Vitus InfinitusTalk 18:27, May 11, 2018 (UTC)
      • Then ask him how he got that image. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:31, May 11, 2018 (UTC)
        • JMAS said that the image was from the artist's own portfolio but the image for this article that is in question was either not made by him, or was not uploaded to his portfolio.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 02:37, May 14, 2018 (UTC)
          • I see now. He didn't properly source that image originally, which is why I was confused. You may wait until the July publication date. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 03:45, May 18, 2018 (UTC)
  • Reviewing note. I'm changing the second "Aftermath" paragraph back to the version from my copy-edit. Adding all of those details about Eneb Ray and the Palpatine double is extraneous to this article's focus. Readers can follow the link to that mission article to learn more specific details about its events. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 03:45, May 18, 2018 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 04:20, May 22, 2018 (UTC)


  • I will be on vacation and thus unavailable between May 31st to June 18th. I will not be able to address objections during that time as I will have no effective means of doing so. I will be taking care of all raised objections between now to the 31st, thank you for understanding.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 13:46, May 19, 2018 (UTC)