Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Sakas

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Sakas

(4 ACs/8 Users/12 Total)

Support

  1. Cwedin(talk) 23:02, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
  2. Ayrehead02 (talk) 14:49, April 4, 2016 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote Supreme Emperor (talk) 16:16, April 8, 2016 (UTC)
  4. Manoof (talk) 09:53, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
  5. ACvote IFYLOFD (Talk) 00:06, June 3, 2016 (UTC)
    ACvote Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 15:35, June 29, 2016 (UTC)
  6. Assuming the remaining objections are handled. Corellian PremierJedi symbolThe Force will be with you always 23:21, August 29, 2016 (UTC)
  7. --Lewisr (talk) 02:57, January 7, 2017 (UTC)
  8. Cevan IMPpress (talk) 01:31, February 4, 2017 (UTC)
  9. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders AnilSerifoglu (talk) 16:41, February 4, 2017 (UTC)
  10. ACvote Sir Cavalier of OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 19:23, February 18, 2017 (UTC)
  11. —Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 15:25, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
  12. ACvote Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:55, May 5, 2017 (UTC)

Object

Manoof
  • Should you have Alliance Special Forces in the infobox, as a bullet point between the alliance and pathfinders. Otherwise it seems Pathfinders are a stand-alone branch of the Alliance, rather than a specific branch of the SpecForces. Manoof (talk) 07:32, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
  • I would recommend making sure your urls are backed up on the archive. Also, does tumblr count as a social media site, and so requires a screenshot? Manoof (talk) 07:32, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
    • There isn't really a mechanism to do either of these things right now because we don't have a Tumblr template, unless you have an alternative suggestion. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:10, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
      • I went ahead and made sure the url is backed up, and added it to the reference. Manoof (talk) 22:12, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
  • Can we say somewhere what species Dameron and Solo are? Manoof (talk) 07:32, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
    • That seems like unnecessary detail. To my knowledge we don't require species-level context for each character who is referenced. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:10, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
      • I consider it minimum context for characters, but I leave it up to you. Manoof (talk) 22:12, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
        • I think the rank info, which is provided, is more appropriate context since it reflects what they do and how they relate to Sakas. If someone wanted species info they could look at their respective pages. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:17, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
  • In the P&T, can you say something about what sort of fighter she was? Manoof (talk) 07:32, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
    • I'm not sure what you mean by "what sort of fighter" she was. Other than being in the Pathfinders, which is referenced in the biography, we don't know much about her. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:10, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
      • She seems skilled with a blaster rifle, did she demonstrate hand to hand combat skills at all? Is it worth mentioning or not really? Manoof (talk) 22:12, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
        • She didn't demonstrate hand to hand combat skills, no. I feel like "skilled with a blaster" is already implied. She didn't demonstrate any particular skills of note, so the fact that she's Alliance Special Forces can speak for itself IMO. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:17, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
  • What do you mean by "black site", is this something that should be an article? Manoof (talk) 22:12, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
    • In real life, a black site is a secret base where secret projects are conducted. For example, there are CIA black sites where less-than-good operations have been conducted. What that means in the Star Wars galaxy, though, was never stated. We didn't learn anything about the base beyond the fact that it's an ISB black site, so the most we could do with creating an article is a dictionary definition. In terms of giving more detail about what black site means in this article, we have nothing Star Wars-related to source that to. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:17, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
  • My apologies, I know I struck and support voted, but I must not have submitted. Manoof (talk) 09:53, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
Floyd
  • "Nearly three weeks after the Battle of Endor, the battle in which the Alliance delivered a devastating blow to the Empire by destroying its Death Star II superweapon and defeating Emperor Palpatine, Sakas served with the Pathfinders, an Alliance Special Forces unit under the command of General Han Solo, in a raid on an Imperial Security Bureau black site at the Wretch of Tayron, located in the Outer Rim Territories." This is the unwieldiest sentence ever Brandon
  • Is the Wretch of Tayron the black site itself? The way this is worded it makes it seem like the Wretch of Tayron is a larger location that houses the black site. If so, I think the actual facility itself could use a link.
    • It's unclear if the Wretch of Tayron is the location of the black site or the black site itself. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 06:12, May 29, 2016 (UTC)
  • Is there really nothing else you can put in the P&T? She seems to have at least a few speaking lines.
    • The lines are pretty straight-forward, and about the actions being taken. Sakas doesn't have much in the way of characterization. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 06:12, May 29, 2016 (UTC)
Cav
Toprawa
  • I didn't want to have to do this, but I wasn't able to get a hold of Brandon today, so I'm leaving this as a formal objection and striking my support vote for now. Cav's objection above regarding the use of an Equipment section should be followed as he originally requested. Sakas' use of an A280 should be mentioned in this section, as should the fact that she wears the standard uniform of every Endor Rebel soldier. That's the purpose of an Equipment section, and mentioning the A280 in the Bio should not preclude its implementation. In fact, I wouldn't recommend even mentioning specific weaponry in the Bio in an article this short, because then it just becomes redundant. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 05:12, July 19, 2016 (UTC)
    • How would you advise sourcing the fact that it's the standard uniform for every Endor Rebel soldier? That can't really be sourced to Shattered Empire or Return of the Jedi. Should a reference note be used to say it's similar? Also, so you're aware, I am on vacation without internet access (just phone) starting tomorrow (Thursday) through Tuesday, so I will not see your response to this until Tuesday. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 04:01, July 28, 2016 (UTC)
      • The crux here is less on sourcing and more how you word it, which I would prefer to leave up to you. Sakas and all of the Endor Rebels, both in ROTJ and Shattered Empire, are wearing the same basic, standardized camouflaged uniform. That's what I'm looking to see reflected here in Equipment. If this were a ROTJ-exclusive character, that fact can be sourced to ROTJ, which shows us as much; I'm assuming the same holds true for Shattered Empire. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:51, September 27, 2016 (UTC)
  • I'd like to see the Biography divided into two subsections, which would be best accomplished by inserting a paragraph break in the second paragraph. "Solo and the rest of the Pathfinders..." is a natural division point. This will also allow you to use additional images and quotes if available, which I presume they are. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:54, September 27, 2016 (UTC)
    • Added. There are no additional quotes or images. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 23:30, November 20, 2016 (UTC)
Imperators II
  • "Sakas was present in the command center" - would that be the ISB base's command center? If so, please add the context.
    • Yes. I think it's pretty straightforward as-is, but I've added a word to clarify. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 04:01, July 28, 2016 (UTC)
  • if "Dameron told the story of how he and Sakas raided the base to his son, Poe Dameron," in Before the Awakening, why is the book not listed in Sakas' Appearances section? Imperators II(Talk) 08:03, July 27, 2016 (UTC)
    • She wasn't mentioned, but their actions were. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 04:01, July 28, 2016 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 19:55, May 5, 2017 (UTC)


AnilSerifoglu
  • (not an objection) Are Alliance Special Forces considered part of the Rebel army? Many articles on Wookieepedia (like Rebel Alliance Special Forces and Pathfinders) suggest that, but I'm not sure. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders AnilSerifoglu (talk) 16:57, February 4, 2017 (UTC)
    • Probably, but I don't think the infobox needs quite that level of detail (if that's what you were getting at—I could be wrong). That would mean 5 items were listed under affiliation just to mention Pathfinders. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 19:36, February 18, 2017 (UTC)
      • That was indeed what I was getting at, (also I wasn't sure about the army and special forces distinction after I read Rogue One: The Ultimate Visual Guide) but you are right anyway. The infobox is too small to fill them all. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders AnilSerifoglu (talk) 02:42, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

Vote to remove nomination (AC only)

  1. ACvote Unaddressed objections for almost two months now. Imperators II(Talk) 23:17, November 20, 2016 (UTC)
    • Wasn't aware that Tope had replied to me. I've addressed the objection. I know that AC/Inqs don't like it when objections are addressed after a removal vote has begun. So, I'd just take this opportunity to remind everyone, before there are any comments about it, that it also took Tope two months to reply to the question that I left for him—and no vote to strike those objections or change anything about the nomination was commenced. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 23:29, November 20, 2016 (UTC)
      • Good thing you noticed the vote then, if not the objection. ;) Imperators II(Talk) 23:39, November 20, 2016 (UTC)