Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Qid Proko

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Qid Proko

  • Nominated by: Demos Traxen 23:25, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: Got too large for CA nom.

(4 ACs/3 Users/7 Total)

Support

  1. ACvote I hope to see many more from you Traxen. :) Kilson 05:49, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
  2. ACvote Quid pro quo.—Tommy 9281 Saturday, April 9, 2011, 21:38 UTC
  3. ~SavageBOB sig 22:44, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Quiproquo. Bonslywizard Naboo (Send a transmission) 01:27, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
  5. ACvote Squid pro quo. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 14:35, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
  6. OLIOSTER (talk) 00:34, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
  7. ACvote Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:25, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Object

Jujiggum
Return of the PIE
  • First, you have some missing links and redirect scattered throughout the article. You must fix these. Remember, anything you link in the Intro must also be linked in the body. I don't want to sound pompous, but linking is one of the most important things on the Wook.
    • No problem. I wasn't aware there were redirects that were left, nor than I missed any double links. I see them now, and I think they're taken care of.
      • Missed one link, but I got it.
  • In the infobox, you need to put Galactic Republic as an affiliation.
    • Done.
  • Did Proko fight during the Clone Wars? I haven't read any of the sources, so I don't know for sure, but it seems odd that he would serve the Republic during the Clone Wars but didn't fight in them.
    • We can assume that he did, but ultimately neither of the sources say this specifically, and I don't want to speculate.
      • Well, if it wasn't mentioned in any source, don't put it in.
  • In the Bio, "...when Supreme Chancellor Palpatine issued Order 66, ordering the Republic's clone troopers..." It sounds awkward placing "ordering" right next to "Order 66". Trying changing ordering to a synonym.
    • I originally had it differently... I don't know why I changed it. Done now.
  • In the Bio, you first address Palpatine as Supreme Chancellor but then later you address him as Emperor without any context. You should work in somewhere that Palpatine declared himself Emperor and reorganized the Republic into the Empire.
    • Added to the Order 66 area of the bio. Done.
  • Other than those, good show. Nice to see a new face on the GA page. Kilson 06:06, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
    • Thanks! And thanks for your help, too. Demos Traxen 01:55, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
  • Good job working through these. Sorry, there's just one more. I noticed you listed The New Essential Chronology in the Source section, but is Proko referenced by name in the book? If he wasn't, you can't put it in the Source section. You can still ref it though. Kilson 03:08, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
    • Whoops, you're right. Don't know how that got there... ha. Gone now. Demos Traxen 03:30, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
Prepare to be savaged…
  • Can you add a few words of context for Order 66 in the intro?
    • Absolutely, done.
  • "but he managed to escape" --> Do you mean he escaped the Core Worlds, or he escaped the clone assault on Jedi?
    • Unknown... both, I suppose.
  • Can he really be said to have survived the Great Jedi Purge? Isn't the purge ongoing until the death of Vader? If I'm right, it might be worth adding a few words: "survived the Great Jedi Purge for some time."
    • The Great Jedi Purge page has the end date as 1 BBY, at which point Palpatine and Vader decided no other important Jedi were still alive. As Proko was alive in the Rebellion Era, I think he outlasts the Purge.
      • Can you add a reference to the end of that line to the effect of, "According to Source, blah blah blah what you just said above?" Then we're good! ~SavageBOB sig 15:31, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
        • So far, I haven't been able to find a specifically cited source that says the Purge ends in 1BBY, though the Purge page on here says so several times. It seems that this is the date that's generally upheld as its official end, and since Proko was alive during the Rebellion Era, I suppose these facts coincide, though I would also like to find a definitive source. If you or anyone has The Essential Chronology or another book, that might work towards verifying this.--Demos Traxen 17:20, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
          • I snooped around on Amazon (searching "Jedi purge") and it seems that sources are quite wishy-washy about what the purge was, let alone when it was. Some sources equate it to Order 66, others include Vader's personal hunting down of Jedi after Order 66. They generally say that Obi-Wan and Yoda survived it, so I guess that's good enough to say that Qid Proko survived it too, despite the infuriatingly imprecise dates. ~SavageBOB sig 22:44, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
  • I know I told you to put Force powers under "Personality and traits," but it turns out I was wrong. They should be under "Powers and abilities." This will, of course, make P&T very short, but c'est la vie.
    • Changed.
  • I removed some -ing words; folks tend to eschew them here for some reason. Otherwise looks solid! ~SavageBAliens LogoB~ 01:23, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
CAN to GAN? Welcome to the club...
  • As the Emperor's New Order rose to power, Proko traveled the galaxy and survived the dark times of the Great Jedi Purge. "...Dark times" seems pretty POV, unless you're referring to the Imperial Period, sometimes nicknamed the Dark Times. I would consider either changing or deleting this.
    • I debated this as well, though I simply love the term "dark times". Changed.
      • =P
  • Proko was designed as an example of a Jedi mentor that player characters might seek out to further their Jedi training. Could you possibly state by who?
    • I suppose just the authors of the book?--Demos Traxen 05:56, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
      • Then you should probably add that according to the book whatever. Right now the sentence kinda comes out of nowhere. Bonslywizard Naboo (Send a transmission) 22:44, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
  • That's all I can find for now. A nice, short n' sweet GAN. Fine job! :) Bonslywizard Naboo (Send a transmission) 01:41, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • Rise of the Empire era is OOU terminology/an OOU article and should not be linked to in the IU portion of the biography. The IU alternative is Republic Classic era.
    • Done.
  • The article's reference and link to "Jedi Commanders" here is really literally referencing the specific rank. I'm guessing the sentence is intending to reference "Jedi commanders" in general. If that's the case, I would recommend removing the link and de-capping "Commander": "to kill their own Jedi Commanders"
    • Done.
  • If RES doesn't actually specify that Poderis is in the Inner Rim, the article should reference that to a source item that does. The Essential Atlas Online Companion would be a good choice. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:31, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
    • Done!--Demos Traxen 23:31, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
      • Good, but a few things about the change to address this objection. 1) It's important to make sure the Atlas reference is only referencing the specific information about the Inner Rim. Right now, that ref note is currently referencing this entire statement: Proko's travels brought him to the storm-swept Inner Rim world of Poderis. Obviously, some of that needs to be referenced to the Rebellion Era Sourcebook, so make sure to place another RES reference after the relevant portion of that clause. 2) Ref notes always go after punctuation; it's currently placed before the comma. 3) The extra {{Ref| }} stuff only needs to be used for ref notes in the infobox. Go ahead and adjust that ref note to match all the others in the article. Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:16, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
        • Done, done, done. I switched around where the refs went for that sentence - I think the information matches better this way.--Demos Traxen 05:22, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
          • I'm still seeing an issue with the placement of the Atlas reference. Your change is good, but it's still only about halfway there. Keep in mind that a ref note placed before any amount of text is effectively saying that all of the text preceding and up to that ref note means that information comes from the source identified within that ref note. Currently, the article is asserting that all of this following text, Proko's travels brought him to the storm-swept Inner Rim, can be found within the Atlas, when that's not the case. The bit about Proko's travels brought him to the storm-swept needs to be referenced to RES, so place an RES ref note after that part, and just leave the Atlas note on the part about the Inner Rim, as it is now. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:34, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
            • I believe I've done it for real now.--Demos Traxen 23:12, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
              • Yup, that part looks good. As a result of this confusion, that paragraph ended up with a double RES reference, which I've removed. Take a look at my edit and you'll see what I mean. There was a second RES reference at the end of the paragraph, so that extra one after the Poderis info was just redundant. Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:25, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 01:25, April 19, 2011 (UTC)


  • Oh, Proko had a Completely Unofficial Star Wars Encyclopedia entry, so I created an external links section and added it. I hope that is alright. Kilson 06:07, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
    • That's absolutely alright. I had sourced that already, but all the formatting stuff escapes me sometimes, so thank you for cleaning that up.--Demos Traxen 01:36, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
  • In the future, please remember to use the {{Ref}} template for references in infoboxes. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 14:35, April 10, 2011 (UTC)