Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Qaz-class Star Destroyer

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qaz-class Star Destroyer

  • Nominated by: — Tommuskq Imperial Emblem (TAKE A SEAT) 23:14, January 13, 2018 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: Hopefully the first of many.

(3 ACs/3 Users/6 Total)

Support

  1. ACvote Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:07, January 20, 2018 (UTC)
  2. Jinzler (talk) 22:15, February 7, 2018 (UTC)
  3. ACvote 1358 (Talk) 19:20, February 25, 2018 (UTC)
  4. ACvote Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:15, February 28, 2018 (UTC)
  5. --Lewisr (talk) 12:04, March 1, 2018 (UTC)
  6. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 14:09, March 1, 2018 (UTC)

Object

Ayrehead
  • Congratulations on your first nomination, Tommy! I've added audio to the Catalyst quote and as such think you might want to swap it with the current lead quote since it now includes the proper pronunciation. Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:43, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
    • Thanks, I thought it was about time I had a go! Thanks for adding the audio, that's really useful in this article. Quotes swapped as suggested. — Tommuskq Imperial Emblem (TAKE A SEAT) 12:15, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
  • I think you can probably cut the Pablo tweet from the BTS entirely since it doesn't really tell us anything new and there's no way to back it up with a screenshot. Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:43, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
  • I don't think the information about the stormtroopers is currently necessary in the characteristics section as you're currently extrapolating from a single trooper and it's covered later in history. Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:43, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
  • I would expand slightly on the mission to Tibrin, something like "Leia Organa's mission to the planet Tibrin", with each of the separate relevant articles linked. Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:43, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
  • You could provide a date for the Battle of Yavin. Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:43, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
  • Clone Wars is currently intro exclusive. Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:43, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
  • You should also add the ship's Legends origins to the BTS. Ayrehead02 (talk) 19:10, January 16, 2018 (UTC)
    • Sorry but you may have to elaborate on that a bit, my legends knowledge it somewhat lacking. Does something in legends play a similar role to the ship's comparison with the kyber test? — Tommuskq Imperial Emblem (TAKE A SEAT) 19:17, January 16, 2018 (UTC)
Jinzler
  • In the introduction, it is stated that the Star Destroyers continued to serve within the Imperial Navy until after the Battle of Yavin. The use of "until" here implies that the Imperial Navy stopped using them after the Battle of Yavin, whereas the impression I get from reading the body of the article is that that is not necessarily the case (ie they were still in use at the time of the Battle of Yavin but the sources don't stay that they were taken out of service at that time). Would you be happy to re-word this? Jinzler (talk) 07:18, February 7, 2018 (UTC)
  • In the History section: a test-firing commenced of a kyber crystal powered weapon that would later evolve into the superlaser of the Death Star. I believe it would be beneficial if you could add some brief additional context her on what the Death Star was (eg even just noting that it was a superweapon for example would be sufficient). Jinzler (talk) 07:18, February 7, 2018 (UTC)
  • As in the History section: The Malevolence was a new qaz-class Star Destroyer in the Imperial military at the time of Rebel operative Leia Organa's mission to the planet Tibrin. I feel that this would read better if, rather than state that it was a new Star Destroyer "in the Imperial military", you could start that it had recently entered service at the time of Leia's mission, or something similar. I feel that the way that this is worded at the moment doesn't flow very well. Jinzler (talk) 07:18, February 7, 2018 (UTC)
  • Nice work! Jinzler (talk) 07:18, February 7, 2018 (UTC)
Ecks Dee
  • If there's indeed no indication of "qaz" being capitalized, you need to reflect this in the title and the infobox as well.
  • The first paragraph of History needs trimming. The ship class itself isn't mentioned until the very last sentence.
  • The IPA pronounciation should be worked into the Bts as well.
  • Fwiw, it's not necessary to include every sub-affiliation in the infobox. Galactic Empire and Imperial Navy is sufficient; right now Imperial Military is technically infobox-exclusive. Just remove it altogether so that you won't have to work it into the body. 1358 (Talk) 20:23, February 16, 2018 (UTC)
  • "two beams were fired from a Star Destroyer, which disappeared into the black holes known as the Hero Twins." Did the beams or the Star Destroyer disappear into the black hole? 1358 (Talk) 20:59, February 19, 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your review.—Tommy-Macaroni Imperial Emblem (TAKE A SEAT) 21:04, February 19, 2018 (UTC)
  • I'd like to see the intro slightly expanded. A brief mention of the DS test-firing thingy would be appropriate. 1358 (Talk) 02:05, February 22, 2018 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • For several reasons, I would recommend removing the IPA thing from the intro: It's not strictly necessary, it's technically intro-exclusive (and we don't need to repeat it three times throughout the article), and the vast majority of people looking at this page probably won't even know what the pronunciation symbols mean. I think the BTS mention of "kazz" (without the IPA tag) is sufficient. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:14, February 25, 2018 (UTC)
  • Throughout the article, I think it would be better just to say "multiple batteries" to align with the original source. I feel like "multiple weapons batteries" carries the connotation that there were multiple batteries of different weapon types, when all we know is that it had "multiple batteries" of indeterminate type.
  • I added to the intro that the kyber test firing was related to the Death Star's development, which should also be reflected in the body for greater understanding of its significance. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:32, February 26, 2018 (UTC)
  • Can we not specify here who or what is conducting this test? Like, "The Tarkin Initiative conducted a test-firing..." or whatever: "...a test-firing commenced of a kyber crystal–powered weapon[1] which would later evolve into the superlaser of the first Death Star.[3]. Upon the orders of Lieutenant Command..."
  • It's always best for date reference notes to manually explain how you're arriving at the date, particularly if you're combining different pieces of unrelated evidence from different sources. For instance, this article uses Galactic Atlas to date the mission to Tibrin to shortly after 0 BBY, but that event doesn't seem to be referenced at all in that text, so one is left wondering how exactly you arrived at this conclusion. That should be explained in the ref note.
    • The date ref was supposed to refer to the Battle of Yavin itself, as the comic has no specific dating info apart from that it was after that event. How is it now?—Tommy-Macaroni Imperial Emblem (TAKE A SEAT) 20:10, February 28, 2018 (UTC)
      • In that case, you should just remove the mention of the date. For future reference, you should pretty much never have to say in your writing that the Battle of Yavin took place in 0 BBY. That's extremely redundant; it's literally saying "The Battle of Yavin, which took place 0 years Before the Battle of Yavin." Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:49, February 28, 2018 (UTC)
  • So did Leia rescue Luke from the Stormbringer? It would be good to add some very brief note explaining the outcome of this mission. For conciseness, you might even change the article's wording to "undertook a successful mission to the planet Tibrin to infiltrate and rescue her ally Luke Skywalker from the Imperial-class Star Destroyer Stormbringer." Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:25, February 28, 2018 (UTC)
    • I've changed some stuff around to add some more context, and I've added the outcome.—Tommy-Macaroni Imperial Emblem (TAKE A SEAT) 20:10, February 28, 2018 (UTC)
Lewisr

You say in the intro that the qaz served in the Imperial Navy after the Clone Wars, shouldn't the references for it being affiliated with the Empire/Imperial Navy in the infobox and characteristics be changed to Catalyst rather than Trouble at Tibrin? Or does it not matter? --Lewisr (talk) 22:27, February 28, 2018 (UTC)

  • Catalyst gives no indication if the Empire used the vessel at that point, only that they used it as a comparison. TaT actually says the Malevolence was part of the navy.—Tommy-Macaroni Imperial Emblem (TAKE A SEAT) 08:15, March 1, 2018 (UTC)
    • Then you probably should change where it says they served the Imperial Navy shortly after the Clone Wars --Lewisr (talk) 11:56, March 1, 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the review Lewis!—Tommy-Macaroni Imperial Emblem (TAKE A SEAT) 08:15, March 1, 2018 (UTC)
    • No worries! --Lewisr (talk) 11:56, March 1, 2018 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 18:45, March 1, 2018 (UTC)