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Pammant

  • Nominated by: Erebus Chronus (Talk) 21:19, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: I hope a Republic ship didn't crash into this continuity's Pammant
  • Date Archived: 19:17, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
  • Final word count: 580 words (90 introduction, 415 body, 75 behind the scenes)
  • WookieeProject (optional): WP:CIS, WP:NOVEL, WP:AST

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Support

  1. ACvote JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 01:58, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
  2. ACvote Imperators II(Talk) 14:55, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
  3. ACvote TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 18:50, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
  4. ACvote Lewisr (talk) 19:16, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Object

Fan
  • The intro doesn't need to mention that the Subjugator-class was built specifically during the war; that's fine to just mention in History.
    • Sure, I guess.
  • Is mentioning that the Quarren came from "their aquatic homeworld of Mon Cala" relevant to Pammant at all? Fan26 (Talk) 14:02, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
    • I removed it. Just because something's not relevant to the article, but just very slightly is related to something pertaining to the subject, why should that factor to not allow user's to include it? Erebus Chronus (Talk) 16:39, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
      • Setting aside that the current revision still has it up, it has long been practice to only include information directly relevant to the subject of the article. The planet that the Quarren species originated from, and its terrain as a water world, have zero bearing on the information about Pammant presented in the article. Unless a source has specified that the Quarren who formed the shipbuilding corporations on Pammant specifically emigrated from Mon Cala, then there's really no reason to mention it at all. Fan26 (Talk) 17:28, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
        • This time I removed it. But I'm not going to continue with why I disagree with this here.
  • The Pammant Docks shipbuilding company is included in the "points of interest" field of the infobox as if it were a location and not an organization Fan26 (Talk) 17:28, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
Imp
  • Hmm, the Legends article indicates that the Legends Pammant had a full appearance. If that's true, it should be noted in the Canon article's BTS as well. Imperators II(Talk) 18:38, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
    • It's true. I'm disappointed in myself for forgetting and even missing that! It's added btw. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 21:05, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Looking at the multiple dictionary meanings of the word "cavernous," I wouldn't say it necessarily means that the planet actually had caverns. It could just as well be a comparative descriptor of that drydock. Imperators II(Talk) 13:06, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Right, so the current Description section looks extraneous to me. All of that should just be moved to Locations (and the "planet" descriptor can just go into History). Imperators II(Talk) 07:40, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
    • Why? I'm making mention of where these exported starships are coming from. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 01:31, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
      • I'm not challenging the necessity of the inclusion of that info, but rather the location it's presented in. Description sections of astrographical articles are generally reserved for the discussion of aspects of celestial bodies that are "natural", i.e., caused and influenced by natural causes as opposed to activities of sentient beings. You're already discussing the shipbuilding locations in the Locations section to a degree, so you should just move all of those shipbuilding-related details there. Imperators II(Talk) 07:18, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
  • The Pammant ref for Lucid Voice makes the unspoken assumption that it was a Providence-class, I think, which should be more explicitly put into text.
  • About that acronym QFD. Since, when you first introduce it, you do "Free Dac Volunteers Engineering Corps (QFD)" it's not immediately obvious where the acronym is coming from. Can you maybe shift to using the "Quarren Free Dac Volunteers Engineering Corps" there, as per how it's presented in that section's quote from the source? Imperators II(Talk) 08:45, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
  • The article should have consistency in whether QFD's full title is to be used with or without the definite article.
    • I'm a little confused about what you mean here.
      • Whether or not "Free Dac Volunteers Engineering Corps" should be used with "the". Imperators II(Talk) 19:04, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
  • The intro reads a bit unusual: it mentions "several new starship classes", while the body only mentions two explicitly new classes, the Providence and the Subjugator, while the Recusant is not specified as new, and I think "several" is technically used when describing 3+ items. In addition, that last sentence of the intro, it's essentially giving a characterization for the Pammant's shipwrights' and CIS's interrelated motivations which the body does not mention. Imperators II(Talk) 18:11, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
    • Fixed the first part, but what do you mean about the last part? Erebus Chronus (Talk) 18:39, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
      • Well, 1) "During the Clone Wars, Pammant and its factories continued to build ships" does this bit, particularly the plural "ships", talk about Subjugator-class ships other than the Malevolence? Does "Pammant served as the place of construction for another new design of warship" imply that multiple Subjugators were built at Pammant? and 2) "in order to give the Confederacy an acceptible armada" the body doesn't talk at all whether or not Pammant's ships rendered the Confederate navy acceptible (?). Imperators II(Talk) 19:04, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
        • 1) That part is meant to make it clear that they just continued to make ships in general, it wasn't directed at a specific class. It's supposed to explain the Subjugator-class was born at Pammant because that's where the Malevolence was built, nothing confirms that the others were made there. 2) I thought just saying they continued making ships for the Separatist navy in the body was enough to relate the two. Rise explains that Pammant Docks and other companies worked to give them an acceptible navy, which I will summarily put into the article. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 19:35, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
Anil
  • Is it fair to assume that the planet is terrestrial since it contains caves along with factories "on its surface" (if that's indeed how the source words it)?
    • The source for the factories says they existed, but not exactly where; "...by the Quarren builders of Free Dac in the factories of Pammant." The source for "cavernous" comes from BMF 43, which says "Built in a cavernous dry dock..."
      • Hmm, I'd say the "cavernous" in this quote is used to suggest that the dry dock was very large, not that the planet had caves on its surface. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 13:34, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
  • "…Quarren engineers.[2] On the[4] cavernous…" I'm not really sure what exactly is sourced to ref #4 here. Does it document the use of the preposition "on" for Pammant?
    • It's supposed to, yes.
      • So does the source use "on" for Pammant? Just asking because that'd mean the planet had a solid surface, therefore terrestrial, unlike, say, Cloud City "at" Bespin. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 13:34, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Likewise, I don't get the purpose of the clonewarsadventures.com reference in BTS. That page doesn't mention "Card Commander" or "minigame" as far as I can see. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 00:21, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Related to the discussion above, could you confirm if the Pammant locations mentioned in the article were situated "on" the planet? Otherwise just saying that these places were located "at" Pammant would be more appropriate, in my opinion. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 13:34, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 19:16, 18 September 2023 (UTC)