Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Mandalore City

The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a good article nomination that was unsuccessful. Please do not modify it.

Mandalore City

• Nominated by: NaruHina ^Talk 03:49, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
• Nomination comments: As IFY said, this belongs in "Category:I FUCKING HATE LUCASARTS!"

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Support

1. Pre-nom reviewed. IFYLOFD ^{(You will pay the price for your lack of vision!)} 03:51, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
2. Further objections hashed out in IRC. Jonjedigrandmaster ^{(Jedi Beacon)} 00:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Object

1. "but nothing else about its history has come to light." That's OOU speculation. Why is it down as Knights of the Old Republic 3 and not III? -- AdmirableAckbar ^(Talk) 10:33, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
   • Done with the first thing. Because thats the way it was written in Rouge Leaders to my knowledge. There's no source for it being planned as "III". NaruHina ^Talk 13:44, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
     • "To your knowledge"? You mean you don't actually have the book? -- AdmirableAckbar ^(Talk) 23:29, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
2. According to Microsoft word, this article is currently at 209 words, which is below the 250 minimum per rule 17. Jonjedigrandmaster ^{(Jedi Beacon)} 02:01, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
   • Fixed, its now 264. NaruHina ^Talk 13:26, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
3. "...where Rebel Alliance members Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa, Lando Calrissian, and Chewbacca along with their droids, R2-D2 and C-3PO, searched for their friend, smuggler Han Solo, after he was frozen in carbonite and taken by one of three possible bounty hunters." Sorry to be blunt, but this unnecessary fluff to get the article to 250 words and has no real value to the article itself and should be removed. Please find more relevant information to add, or this will not make it to 250 words. Grunny ^(Talk) 05:06, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
   • Fixed again. I just added that to ensure that it would get to 250 and admittedly I should have cut it down afterwards. NaruHina ^Talk 23:47, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
     • "..in which Rebel Alliance members searched for their friend, former smuggler Han Solo, after he was frozen in carbonite and taken by one of three possible bounty hunters." This part is still unnecessary fluff and is in no way relevant to "Mandalore City". The sentence should end here: "the sixty-eighth issue of the Marvel Comics series Star Wars." I really don't think this should be a GA unless you can find significant information to add without adding fluff, like explaining what non-canon means. Grunny ^(Talk) 01:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
       • That's not fluff, that's saying what happened in the comic, to contextify it. NaruHina ^Talk 14:40, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
         • But the only context for the comic needed for the article is that Mandalore appeared in it. That's it. Anything more is fluff. And the context for non-canon is really excessive. Once again it must be relevant to the article's topic "Mandalore City". Grunny ^(Talk) 14:43, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
           • It wasn't intended as fluff but OK I'll remove the part about the story. I don't think its excessive, its just that people take it for granted and don't context canon in many articles, even I do sometimes. I've had to context some pretty obvious things before (such as George Lucas) as concessions to people who don't know and this was one of those times. NaruHina ^Talk 12:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
4. Toprawa:
   • With all due respect to the work you've done here, Naru, I think this article is a nice example of how just because an article might meet the word count doesn't necessarily mean it qualifies for a Good article. I feel I need to cite GAN Rule 9: A GA must "have significant information." And this article simply fails that. I don't see a way this article, considering its extremely limited scope of information, could ever satisfy this without just adding fluff. Toprawa and Ralltiir 05:10, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
     • Its now 250 words, without the fluff, and contains absolutely all released information relevant to the topic and because of that, IMO, it has "significant information." NaruHina ^Talk 23:47, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
5. I'm going to have to agree with Tope. It's primarily BtS, and the content itself is almost the same as the intro. --Darth tom (Imperial Intelligence) 20:22, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
   • Max (bunny) Was an FA where this occured. The article is practically all Bts, though there is more story to go on and even then, half of it is just a statement of where he was. As well, thereare plenty of articles that have been put up where the bio and intro were almost the same, it's what happens when there iseither no story or little story to go on. Max could even be said guilty of this, though it has a bit more meticulous detail in his bio such as the time, more specific and general place, etc. NaruHina ^Talk 14:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
     • The problem isn't that an article has too much BTS information. It's that this article doesn't have enough IU material. Max has several paragraphs worth, which is substantially more than what this article will ever have. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:55, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
       • Well, its got what its got, which is enough to meet the requirements of GAN, IMO. Not every article can be like Project Wormhead in terms of information. NaruHina ^Talk 22:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Comments

Remove nomination (AgriCorps vote only)

1. Does not have enough information to be a GA. Anyone can fluff out a BtS. There just isn't enough content here. Graestan^(Talk) 22:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
2. Per Grae. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 22:58, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
3. CC7567 ^(talk) 22:59, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
4. The article does not meet the "significant information" ruling because of its severe lack of IU information. Let this example create a precedent for the future. Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:00, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
5. Cavalier One^{(Squadron channel)} 23:02, 13 July 2009 (UTC)