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Larcoh

  • Nominated by: --20:48, December 30, 2014 (UTC)Tetsu Aero (talk)
  • Nomination comments: I've gone through it several times, and it seems to comply with most regulations. It's a shame there isn't so many references that can be used. I am unsure about the mentioning of clothing though, some good articles had it, some didn't. This is my first article that i have completed on Wookieepedia, so we'll see. :) --Tetsu Aero (talk) 20:52, December 30, 2014 (UTC)

(0 ACs/1 Users/1 Total)

Support

  1. Great work on your first nomination. :) 501st dogma(talk) 13:09, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

Object

501st
  • First of all, good work on writing your first nom. :) Since it's your first time, there will generally be more objections than normal before it gets passed, but if you stick with it, you should have it passed just fine. I'm going to object to some general things before I go back and do a thorough read through.
  • For referencing, each paragraph needs to be referenced, meaning it at least has to have a reference number at the end of it. Currently, you are only referencing the last paragraph of the biography (the P&T and BTS are fine as is)
    • Fixed--Tetsu Aero (talk) 00:09, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
      • Bio looks good, but you're missing a ref in the P&T, first sentence. Also, I forget to mention this before, but the infobox has to be sourced as well.
  • The bio of the text should include that he is a male. Currently, that's missing. Bio should also mention right off the bat that he was a professor, as it currently takes a while for this fact to come out.
  • "He was also one of the few Selkath that lived outside of their home world, Manaan after most of their species has been forced underwater in the bombings of the planet." This P&T sentence seems more appropriate for the Bio, as one of the first sentences.
    • You have a point there, so i integrated it into the bio--Tetsu Aero (talk) 00:09, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
  • Your infobox will have to be reloaded. Basically, just use Standard preloads to reload the Character infobox, and refill in all the info. This is because infoboxes change over time, and yours is missing some of the latest parameters.
    • Hopefully i used a preload that was up to date now--Tetsu Aero (talk) 00:09, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
  • The Bio should contain some timeframe, like the intro does currently. A general rule of thumb is that all info in the intro or infobox should also be able to be found somewhere in the main body (bio, P&T, etc), expect for specific Eras as they are not-in universe.
    • I Inserted it into the text, though i wonder if it matters if it is at the start or middle where it is mentioned?--Tetsu Aero (talk) 00:09, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
      • Looks good, but you might want to add context on the Cold War. Just saying it was fought between the Empire and the Republic like you do in the intro should be enough.
  • Somethings need context in articles. For example, Tatooine needs context here, so just saying it was a planet will do. The Tusken Raiders could also be clarified as a species.
  • On the topic of Tusken Raiders, you switch between using Tusken Raiders and Sand People to describe them. Either keep with one, or clarify when you first mention them that they were also referred to as the Sand People.
    • Fixed--Tetsu Aero (talk) 00:09, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
      • Looks good, but it turns out you use Sand People to describe the Tuskens in the first paragraph, while you only say that the Sand People are the Tuskens in the second. Make sure you clarfiy that the Sand People are the Tuskens before you use Sand People. 501st dogma(talk) 15:04, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
        • Missed that one, fixed now :) --Tetsu Aero (talk) 13:24, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
  • I'll look it over again once these are complete. When you think you've finished an objection, just add a note under it here on the nom page. 501st dogma(talk) 15:14, January 1, 2015 (UTC)
  • Also, since it seems that Larcoh has dialogue, the article should have quotes in the intro, bio, and if possible P&T. 501st dogma(talk) 16:00, January 1, 2015 (UTC)
  • The intro could use some beefying up. Mention of how he and the traveler dealt with the Tusken Raiders should be in the intro, as it is important.
    • I did some beefing up, but i don't think it turned out well.--Tetsu Aero (talk) 10:23, January 5, 2015 (UTC)
      • Check it out now - tweaked it a bit for you. 501st dogma(talk) 19:29, January 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • As it looks that his eyes are black, mention should be made in the P&T, and in the eye field in the infobox.
  • "...which was not seen very often among the Selkath outside Manaan." Is this specifically stated in TOR? If it's not, and it's only from observations in game, I would remove it, as that is speculatory.
  • Just curious, but is Larcoh affiliated with the Republic at all? The Outpost is a Republic one after all. If you think so, the Galactic Republic should be added to the affiliation field in the infobox.
    • Nothing states that he is affiliated with them, the way he addresses the settlers indicates he isn't.--Tetsu Aero (talk) 10:23, January 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Currently, the link you give for the TOR setting goes to the newer version of the page which doesn't provide the info on Manaan. Devastation of Manaan's first reference is the one you should replace the setting reference with, as it provides a link back to the old version of the page that talked about Manaan. 501st dogma(talk) 17:00, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
  • Once again, just clarifying, but does any source say that he was from Manaan? Also, in the first sentence, you can't source the part about Professor Larcoh being a Selkath to ref 1 as ref 1 doesn't mention Larcoh. Instead, it should be reffed to 2.
    • There's no source that says he is from Manaan, so it's an assumption based on the bombings and the fact that so far we haven't seen any Selkath colonies outside of Manaan. And fixed the ref. --Tetsu Aero (talk) 15:27, January 9, 2015 (UTC)
      • If that's the case, I don't believe we can say for sure that he was from Manaan, even though it is likely, so you should probably remove Manaan as his homeworld. On the other hand, you can keep in the fact that he was one of the only Selkath away from Manaan.
      • Okay, fixed --Tetsu Aero (talk) 18:19, January 10, 2015 (UTC)
        • There are actually quite a few Selkath in TOR outside of Manaan; also, you've still got the Manaan homeworld stuff in the biography. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 18:47, January 10, 2015 (UTC)
          • In that case Tetus, you probably should remove the tidbit about him being one of the few Selkath away from Manaan from the Bio. 501st dogma(talk) 16:50, January 11, 2015 (UTC)
            • I fixed the bio, though about there being many Selkath outside of Manaan in ToR is not true, as the Selkath in ToR outside of Manaan are less than ten. Unless there's a source i have missed that speaks of colonies.--Tetsu Aero (talk) 11:12, January 14, 2015 (UTC)
              • With a few Selkath outside Manaan, I guess it could be kept. 501st dogma(talk) 15:37, January 14, 2015 (UTC)
  • When you say "the professor" when talking about Larcoh, it should be capitalized (the Professor). It's just the way ranks/titles work.
    • Fixed--Tetsu Aero (talk) 15:27, January 9, 2015 (UTC)
      • I'm still seeing some "the professor"s in the body.
        • This still needs to be done. Seems that you did not see this one. 501st dogma(talk) 15:37, January 14, 2015 (UTC)
          • Sorry, i didn't see this one. I fixed it now :)
  • "Although the settlers would not appreciate it, Larcoh's research would go through a "boom"." What exactly are you trying to say here? It's a little vague at the moment.
    • Ha ha, he used that word to describe a boom in his research development. But fixed it.--Tetsu Aero (talk) 15:27, January 9, 2015 (UTC)
      • I've reworded it to sound a bit more professional. :P
        • I don't think i've heard that term, "make headway" before, sounds weird, ha ha--Tetsu Aero (talk) 18:19, January 10, 2015 (UTC)
  • It would be good to mention that the raiders frequently attacked the outpost earlier in the article (when you first talk about Outpost Largona), before you mention Larcoh's solution to the problem in the second paragraph.
  • It seems like the tribe of Tuskens he was studying and the camp that the Republic traveler went to could use articles for themselves. Please link to them and create the articles (They can just be stubs). 501st dogma(talk) 19:53, January 5, 2015 (UTC)
    • I don't know, the tribe wasn't mentioned by name or anything to give substance to it. And i don't agree with making an article for the camp, since the Tusken are nomads and move around a lot. So i moved some sentence around to reflect this in the Larcoh article. --Tetsu Aero (talk) 15:27, January 9, 2015 (UTC)
      • I guess you don't have to make an article for the tribe. As for the camp, the way it is right now makes it seems like it needs an article. If you talk about the camp that the traveler had to go to as a "temporary encampment", then I don't think it would necessitate an article. 501st dogma(talk) 16:48, January 9, 2015 (UTC)
      • I did that in the first paragraph, so i don't think it needs to be clarified again in the 2nd?--Tetsu Aero (talk) 18:19, January 10, 2015 (UTC)
        • Eh, guess it's good as is. 501st dogma(talk) 16:50, January 11, 2015 (UTC)
  • The body should say that the traveler was from the Republic.
  • Does the game actually have a model for the object the Tuskens used? If so, it deserves an article.
    • Yes, but it's not unique, there are hundreds of them, randomly placed. So i would say not to its own article.--Tetsu Aero (talk) 23:25, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • The intro still has Larcoh from Manaan, and that should be remedied. 501st dogma(talk) 01:02, January 31, 2015 (UTC)
  • One last thing: what reward did the traveler get? 501st dogma(talk) 16:14, February 8, 2015 (UTC)
    • You get to choose between several enhancements, a box, or a commendation. I was unsure how to work that into the next so i just went with "reward".--Tetsu Aero (talk) 11:42, February 10, 2015 (UTC)
      • Ah, thought it was just cash or something. 501st dogma(talk) 13:09, February 10, 2015 (UTC)
Manoof
  • Looks great! I made a small rewording (nothing of great significance), I hope you don't mind :) Just one point, do the two citizens mentioned in the first quote have names at all? If they do, you could make character stubs and add them into the bio somewhere.
    • They do not have names no. :)--Tetsu Aero (talk) 19:37, March 2, 2015 (UTC)
  • Also with the quotes, does he say this in basic or is it "translated" from Selkath? If they are translated, the template would have to be changed to quotetrans. Manoof (talk) 08:17, February 21, 2015 (UTC)
    • He says it in Selkatha, but it is translated in the text. So how is this template implemented?--Tetsu Aero (talk) 19:37, March 2, 2015 (UTC)
      • All you do is use "Quotetrans" instead of "Quote" at the start, it'll put "<<" ">>" around what he says so people know that it's been translated from another IU language. I linked the page so you can see a couple examples there :) Manoof (talk) 00:28, March 3, 2015 (UTC)

Comments

Vote to remove nomination (AC only)

  1. ACvote Idle objection over two weeks old. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 03:27, March 17, 2015 (UTC)
  2. ACvote Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 03:29, March 17, 2015 (UTC)
  3. ACvote IFYLOFD (Talk) 03:31, March 17, 2015 (UTC)