Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Kkkt

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Kkkt

(2 ACs/1 Users/3 Total)

Support

  1. UberSoldat93 (talk) 07:54, February 8, 2020 (UTC)
  2. ACvote Nice work! TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 14:31, March 20, 2020 (UTC)
  3. ACvote Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:07, March 21, 2020 (UTC)

Object

Zed
  • Kkkt's title of Father should be mentioned somewhere in the intro.
  • There are unnecessary consecutive references to Darth Vader 21 in the first paragraph of the Biography.
  • Even though the Mustafarians did not know who was in the burning Naboo starship, I think you should specify Darth Vader was aboard, so as to provide context to why he was there.
  • Lord Momin should get a bit more context as a Sith sculptor.
  • The "Fighting for Mustafar" section has several repeated instances of "dark lord," some of which could be switched out to "Vader" or something else for some variety.
  • "Kkkt was surprised that the dark lord lived, but with no army to back his enemy, he and the remaining Mustafarians began their final assault on the fortress." The wording makes it seem like Kkkt is the one who is being said to have no army, rather than Vader.
  • If a subject only appears in canon material, it's not necessary to specify that in the Behind the scenes section. That clarification is only required if it first appeared in Legends. Zed42 (talk) 09:19, January 24, 2020 (UTC)
  • Could you also specify that the "haunted mask" was Lord Momin's upon its first mention? Zed42 (talk) 18:40, January 27, 2020 (UTC)
Spooky
  • Could you work in 12 BBY into the intro?
  • Is the double ref in the Legacy section's first sentence really necessary? The statement contents should be able to be supported by just one, imo.—spookywillowwtalk 18:10, January 27, 2020 (UTC)
UberSoldat
  • In the body, you should start with a sentence describing the character before stating he was the leader of the clan by the time of the comic.
    • There's not much info to describe him so I've just added it to the first sentence. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 22:40, February 7, 2020 (UTC)
      • I meant that you should start with "Kkkt was a male Southern Mustafarian....." then say he led the clan by that time. UberSoldat93 (talk) 07:26, February 8, 2020 (UTC)
  • The opening sentence in the second section of the bio should be written from the character's perspective. Right now, it's the army's perspective.
  • "However, Vader had one more advantage. From the Sith cave, he channeled the Force through the fortress. Kkkt realized this and ordered his forces to pull back, but it was too late. The energy wiped out Kkkt and the other Mustafarians." This can be reworded better.
  • Gender isn't specified in the Personality or the bio despite being in the intro.
  • It would be good state the comic's publisher in the BTS.
  • Does the comic refer to Mustafar as a "planet"? UberSoldat93 (talk) 21:39, February 7, 2020 (UTC)
Mr Star Wars
  • The scouting mission seen in Darth Vader: Dark Lord of the Sith 22 that features multiple Mustafarians including Rrrn has been placed in 14 BBY because it follows shortly after the events of issues 20 and 21. Darth Vader could've only known the information he does in 18 about Tarkin if the novel Tarkin (which has been placed in 14 BBY) had already taken place. Issue 19 features the Second Sister and therefore must take place before Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order (which has also been placed in 14 BBY since the game features her death. As the next three issues after issue 19 take place shortly after one another, it is safe to assume that Darth Vader: Dark Lord of the Sith 22 takes place in 14 BBY and therefore the Mustafarian scouting mission must also take place in 14 BBY. I was told to do this before editing by another member, if this is incorrect, please tell me. --Mr Star Wars Amino Republic (talk) 15:48, February 13, 2020
    • Objection(s) overridden by AgriCorps 00:31, February 25, 2020 (UTC)
    • Issues 21 & 22 take place in between issues 19 & 20—which the date note can apply for as the Second Sister appears in the former and the latter takes place immediately after— and 23, which includes the construction of the fortress which has been dated to 12 BBY per the date note on the article. This means your date note cannot specifically date issues 21-22 in 14 BBY but rather say that it took place during or after the year. At the end of the day they essentially take place in the time range 14 BBY to 12 BBY. I hope this answers your concerns. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 16:02, February 13, 2020 (UTC)
      • If your concerns are satisfied, you need to slash the above recommendation. Otherwise you need to inform me if you still have any gripes with the dating. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 19:41, February 16, 2020 (UTC)
Anil
  • You should mention in Personality and traits that Kkkt sacrified his own soldiers to destroy Vader's army. He even says in the comic that he'll do that "no matter the cost."
  • Don't the other attacks mentioned in Legacy warrant their own articles? TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 20:08, March 19, 2020 (UTC)
Vitus
  • I saw your explanation of the date to Mr Star Wars AminoRepublic about the date which I agree with, but then in the section "A New Arrival" when Kkkt watches Vader arrive the date is 12 BBY. Wouldn't it then be 14 BBY at that time?--Vitus InfinitusTalk 16:21, March 20, 2020 (UTC)
    • Would a date range be better, or "sometime during or after 14 BBY." I'm trying to avoid a massive date note because I've had it objected before. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 10:42, March 21, 2020 (UTC)
Ayrehead
  • Two easy objections: I think you should specify Vader is arriving on Mustafar in the intro. Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:17, March 21, 2020 (UTC)
  • Zzzs needs context. Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:17, March 21, 2020 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • Ref 1 doesn't appear to need to mention Vader's arrival from issue 21. Since that ref is only being applied to Kkkt's death info, it can simply say, "Since the events of the Fortress Vader story arc of the Star Wars: Darth Vader: Dark Lord of the Sith comic-book series take place during the fortress's construction, Kkkt's death on Mustafar in issue 24 must also occur in 12 BBY."
  • The intro quote's attribution would do good to specify who or what Kkkt is rallying the Mustafarians against. The Imperials? Darth Vader? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 10:34, March 23, 2020 (UTC)
  • Can we expand the intro any? If only for aesthetic purposes, it looks better when both paragraphs are of comparable size. Alternatively, finding a way to expand/merge some of the content from the first paragraph with the second would also be a solution. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 10:49, March 23, 2020 (UTC)
  • It's unnecessary to repeat species and sex between the Bio and P/T, particularly for articles that aren't too large, such as this. I'd rather see the P/T be reworded to avoid the same beginning as the Bio. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 11:04, March 23, 2020 (UTC)
  • The article now clocks in at 1042 words, meaning you'll need to bring it to FAN if you wish to continue the nomination process. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 11:21, March 23, 2020 (UTC)
    • Unless there's anything you think should be cut off, you have the go ahead. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 11:26, March 23, 2020 (UTC)

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