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Ithorian starfruit

  • Nominated by: Jade Moonstroller (talk) 11:04, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: My first GAN, so go easy on me :)
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Support

  1. —spookywillowwtalk 14:07, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
  2. — Samonic Thrawns Chimaera (Talk) 10:43, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
  3. LucaRoR Sigil of House Serenno (Talk) 05:17, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
  4. Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 09:30, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
  5. Inqvote Supreme Emperor Holocomm 04:37, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
  6. ACvote JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 04:42, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
  7. ACvote MasterFredCommerce Guild(talk) (he/him) 05:50, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Object

Luca
  • Welcome to GAN! Nice work, just a few things:
  • Was Ben Skywalker Solo's Padawan? If that's the case, it can be pipelinked.
    • It was my understanding that the term 'Padawan' was not used after 19 BBY, but I can add that. Jade Moonstroller (talk) 16:01, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
      • After asking it on Discord, it looks like he can be considered a Padawan. LucaRoR Sigil of House Serenno (Talk) 10:58, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
  • In the quote, the double "-" should be converted into an —
    • Even if the source includes the double dash? Jade Moonstroller (talk) 16:01, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
      • Yup, that's how old artciles and comics used to format em dashes. LucaRoR Sigil of House Serenno (Talk) 10:58, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Is there a relevant image for the article's body?
  • Please, give a look at my copy-edit. LucaRoR Sigil of House Serenno (Talk) 14:26, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Does this "Starfruit crème liqueur" deserve a page? LucaRoR Sigil of House Serenno (Talk) 08:12, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
    • Well now, that's interesting. I suppose it couldn't hurt for it to have a page. This is the exact context in which it appears: "For a palate cleanser, Ithorian starfruit blended in a light creme liqueur." Also, looks like the dash above 'creme' is omitted. I'll need to adjust that on the article. I wonder how I missed that. Now, I believe it says 'Ithorian starfruit' because the starfruit is grown on Ithor and the other dishes put the planet of origin before the dish itself in the report. Jade Moonstroller (talk) 13:14, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
    • Page created. Starfruit creme liqueur. Jade Moonstroller (talk) 01:42, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
UberSoldat
  • Please ensure to manually fill out all relevant fields when using {{WebCite}} (e.g. archive date if using archive.today, work, publisher etc.). See this to understand what I'm looking for. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 03:46, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
    • I don't understand. Do I need to archive that page again or what? Jade Moonstroller (talk) 06:36, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
      • Made an example edit for you, work field should be the Wookiepedia page, if unavailable then the wikipedia page and then the home page of the website if that's also unavailable. Quote added. archivedate just needs to be noted, it's top right of the webpage for archive.today. I didn't know this one either since I almost always use archive.org but it is noted on the template page. Let Shay or I know if you have any questions! Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 04:20, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Spooky
  • The intro and description seem to have a lot of really short, choppy sentences. Mind giving it a one-over for flow?
  • It might be nice to specify that the bounty salad starfruit was a part of is a variant of the covado salad, tie in the quote a bit better contextually.
  • Technically, the fact that it was served in restaurants is intro-specific, as when Dex's Diner is mentioned, it's for Dex's context and not to say the establishment itself served it.
  • Would it suit to list Herd ship's bounty salad under dishes in the infobox?—spookywillowwtalk 16:10, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
    • Eh, I don't know. Starfruit was just the garnish on that salad, not an essential ingredient. Jade Moonstroller (talk) 06:11, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
      • In doing a bit of research, it seems that the current precedent for food articles is that garnishes, and all ingredients that can be found, should be listed under dishes. Minor ingredients being added as an overall case can be seen in a lot of these older Dex's CAs, but also in more recent precedent such as Topato stew, which does add the bits referred to as garnish.—spookywillowwtalk 00:48, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Manoof
  • I hate to do this but I think this needs to be split between two articles based on the gem campaign: Starfruit and Ithorian starfruit, a type of starfruit. Reason being is that the gem campaign is worded such that the recipe there is a specific variety of starfruit, being Ithorian. The other mentions from what I can see don't specify this because it's insinuated by surrounding context to be Ithorian variety—Tiny death star has it in the Ithorian section, Obi-wan notes it specifically as Ithorian and Jettster mentions it in the context of Ithorian originated recipe. This could also explain the discrepancy in Betrayal if it isn't specified to be an Ithorian starfruit? Happy for others to weigh in especially ACs... Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 13:34, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
    • After reading through the body, I agree. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 03:52, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
      • I disagree, the body of the campaign lists the locale of the food before the food itself. It's an in-universe preparation for a dinner, so it advertises the foods in an appealing way. What if this page were just named Ithorian starfruit? Would that solve the "issues?" Jade Moonstroller (talk) 02:26, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Ithorian starfruit are edible by other species based on those recipes but not listed or noted on this page. Hopefully this expands the article back up to GAN. I'd suggest noting the edible species in description per normal and history you can note that various species attended and were served the creme liquor. You should also note that it was served as a creme liquor in the infobox Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 04:29, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
    • I think that satisfies your requirements. Jade Moonstroller (talk) 16:47, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
      • Amazing great work!! Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 09:30, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Macaroni
  • By my count, the body only has 152 words, so the introduction and sectioning will need to be removed, and this should instead be a CAN. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 20:35, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
    • You have got to be joking. This was originally a CAN at Starfruit, then expanded to GAN, and now I have to take it all back? Jade Moonstroller (talk) 05:56, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
      • Yes, it does happen sometimes that way. I'll make sure to review it as soon as you nominate though to try and get this process finished. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 21:34, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
        • Well, I added context for the Clone Wars, and then also Manoof gave some very helpful suggestions, so I think it'll still be good for a GAN. Jade Moonstroller (talk) 06:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
  • If the only thing that the ROTS novel says about it is its name, that's not enough to say it's from the planet Ithor.
    • Alright, I feel that that can be sourced to the Dex's Diner thing. Jade Moonstroller (talk) 04:04, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
      • It can't be, actually - I don't see the planet Ithor mentioned on Dining at Dex's. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 06:13, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
        • Checking sources and waiting on Discord feedback. Jade Moonstroller (talk) 16:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
        • Received Discord feedback and updated the article accordingly. Jade Moonstroller (talk) 01:51, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Objection(s) overridden by AgriCorps 15:42, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

  • The stuff about Dex's Diner and Coruscant should be able to be sourced to Dining at Dex's.
  • Since Dex compliments Ithorians' nature and then goes on to mention their starfruit, I think we can say that he was including the fruit in that statement, so that can be prosified in some way.
  • Context needed for the Gem of Alderaan.
    • I had some context, but I moved it closer to the name of the train. Jade Moonstroller (talk) 16:47, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Can you add the 17 BBY date that's used on starfruit creme liqueur?
  • Since this article no longer directly shares a name with an OOU subject, mentioning the OOU fruit in the bts is probably unnecessary.
  • What makes you say that the game depicted it as "smooth?" I'm not seeing anything that would indicate that in the image. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 18:30, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
    • Well, the Ithorian starfruit is described as having ridges, so the fruit in the game doesn't, so I said it was smooth. It looks round. Jade Moonstroller (talk) 16:47, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Is the regular starfruit meant to be capitalized on its own? JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 02:59, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Sorry for the delay - last couple things (hopefully): the fact that this is a variety of starfruit is intro-exclusive.
  • I think it's fair to add Dex's Diner as an affiliation in the infobox.
  • The bts image is missing alignment and size (eg [[File:Filename.png|thumb|right|250px|caption]])
    • Is this an example or what I should do? Jade Moonstroller (talk) 04:11, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
      • It was an example. In order to speed this process up I've fixed it myself.
  • I'm going to recommend that you remove the link to minutes in the bts since it's referring to OOU minutes, not IU.
  • Your italics are inconsistent between the novel and audiobook in the appearances section. I'd recommend having "Episode III" unitalicized across the board. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 18:07, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
SE
Fred strikes back
  • The last sentence of the intro is not a complete sentence.
  • The last phrase of the first sentence of "Description" also doesn't make sense: "whose peel that came off easily when the fruit was overripe." Is it just the extra "that"? MasterFredCommerce Guild(talk) (he/him) 22:04, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
    • That should fix it. Or rather, a lack of that should fix it. Jade Moonstroller (talk) 02:08, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 05:50, 3 September 2022 (UTC)