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Gretchen

  • Nominated by: Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 03:17, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments:
  • Date Archived: 19:43, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Final word count: 496 words (44 introduction, 401 body, 51 behind the scenes)
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(3 ACs/2 Users/5 Total)

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Support

  1. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 10:33, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
  2. Nice job! Panther436 (talk) 03:13, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
  3. ACvote Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 22:54, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
  4. ACvote —spookywillowwtalk 19:37, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
  5. ACvote Lewisr (talk) 19:42, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Object

Panther
  • (Reviewing note) Love all the Phineas and Ferb noms!
    • Thanks
  • The Biography section could really use an image. I suggest either the scene where Gretchen's talking to Isabella or dancing with Chewbacca.
    • Added
  • Context for the Firestar Girls and Isabella in the biography.
    • Added
  • Can you find a way to say she wore her hair in braids without it seeming like it was an inherent trait of her hair? Hopefully that makes sense.
    • I cleared up the braids, thoug Im not sure if this is what you meant.
  • (Reviewing note) The 'Powers and abilities' section should be 'Skills and abilities' for characters who can't use the Force per the Layout Guide.
    • Noted
  • The second sentence of the Skills and abilities section is very similar to one in Personality and traits, and should either be restructured to focus on her skills or just be removed entirely.
    • Removed other distracting factors to focus on her piloting abilities.
  • Can we really say she's wearing a bandolier? It doesn't appear to have any pockets or loops and seems just like a sash. That's what they call them in the main show too. Also I don't think she's wearing a bandana, just a headband.
    • Yeah, some of the clothings are unclear. I've changed it, though I would love to know what you think of it.
  • Please make sure you're okay with my copy-edit. Panther436 (talk) 04:30, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
  • I don't think that we really know enough about their relationship to say Gretchen 'befriended' Isabella in the intro.
  • I think it is worth noting that Gretchen knew of Isabella prior to speaking with her in the Great Temple and recognized her.
    • Answering both bullet points. I've changed it to "acquainted" and added their knowledge about each other prior.
  • There are a lot of things that appear or are referred to in the special but are never given their full name/full information in the special, and thus should not be cited to it. For example, the Alliance to Restore the Republic is only ever called the Rebel Alliance, Yavin 4 is never called that and is not identified as a moon, the Battle of Yavin is never identified, and Chewbacca is not indicated to be a smuggler, just to name a few. Panther436 (talk) 22:53, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
    • Given that it is a parody based on Star Wars: Episode IV A New Hope, I think it's fair to use its canon context/descriptor unless proven otherwise. For example, it was never mentioned that Heinz Darthenshmirtz swam under garbage masher 3263827, but since it's based on the film we know it to be so (similar to what I wrote in bantha cheese hoagie). Hope it makes sense of what I said. Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 08:30, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
    • Adding another point to my previous example. Since Twi'lek was never mentioned, should we delist Vanessa's species,; a similar case to human as well.(They did mention Twi'lek, my bad; but the human one still stand) Canon information is needed for the coverage of parody content to work. Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 08:51, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
      • I am more so confused by the consistency since no one brought this up in my previous noms around PnF content. Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 10:53, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
        • I don't know how this hasn't been brought up to you before but this is standard and necessary practice for an article to be fully sourced. You absolutely need to have a citation for anything that you cannot discern from the special or its credits, including names and extra details/descriptors. If you go into the lists of status articles there are numerous examples of this. A lot of the time, for example, an article mentions something like Tatooine, but has to cite it being a desert planet to another source. Or a character is not named in one episode of a tv show, so their name has to be cited to the episode where it is said. One I come across a lot is that a Jedi Master is only referred to with that title in another source. Species are a bit of a special case because they can be identified by sight, but a lot of times are sourced separately when they are explicitly said. Panther436 (talk) 00:08, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
          • Ahh okay, I think I misunderstood your initial objections. Added external sourcings needed. Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 02:09, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
            • Sorry this is quite picky but I checked and almost all of the references you added should be able to be combined to be referenced to Ultimate Star Wars specifically the New Edition which you should cite instead. The only thing that can't be is Porkins's middle name, but I think it is fine to pipelink his name to just Jek Porkins. Also because a parachute is a real-life and identifiable thing you shouldn't need to reference it. Panther436 (talk) 04:11, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
              • Moved most of the citations under USWNE, though some others like the Alliance's full name nad Porkin's full name stayed up. I don't see the need to remove those extra citations for shorter pipelinks, since we don't have a limit on citations and the reflist itslef isn't bloated. Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 01:25, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
                • Yeah that's totally fine, but the full 'Alliance to Restore the Republic' name can be cited to USWNE if you want. Panther436 (talk) 04:02, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
                  • Moved, thanks for the confirmation on that. Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 12:13, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Braha
Macaroni
  • It's a little odd to say "The character design and traits were based on her counterpart of the same name" – you can just say she's a non-SW character from the main P+F series or something like that. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 15:56, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
  • "As in the main series" - this can't be sourced to the SW special. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 05:55, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Anil
  • I see you have added those per an objection above, but sourcing the names of every single Star Wars subject, like the Galactic Empire and the Battle of Yavin, is totally unnecessary. The episode itself, which features the Yavin battle, is enough for sourcing both names, and pretty much all status articles do the same. As far as I can see the only instances where the extra Ultimate Star Wars, New Edition citations are necessary are Chewbacca's occupation as a smuggler and Yavin 4 being a moon, if the episode doesn't establish those.
    • Removed uneeded citations, though I've left some due to conflicting objections.
      • I understand that. However, this is really inconsistent with pretty much all previous status articles. I don't think there is a single SA that uses an additional citation for the name "Alliance to Restore the Republic" in the infobox, or, say, to source "Organa" when she is only mentioned as Leia in the story. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 00:32, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
        • That was my initial thought prior to the original objection. Removed the rest of the uneeded citations then. Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 02:51, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
  • I don't think the quote in Equipment ties into that section in any way.
    • I'm struggling to find extra quotes relating to Gretchen, since the character doesn't have too much line in the special. I originally added the quote because every sections got one, though I don't mind removing it if needed.
      • Having quotes for every section is preferable of course, but I feel like it has to have a connection to that section, even in a slight way. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 00:32, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
        • I don't think I could find any quotes in relation to the character and their equipment. I've removed the quote. Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 02:55, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Gretchen's status as the leader of the Firestar Girls is only mentioned in the intro, and her leadership skills should be mentioned in Personality and traits, in my opinion.
    • Added
  • Could you please mention that the Firestar Girls consisted of children such as Gretchen when describing the group for the first time?
    • Added
  • Also, does the episode actually establish that Firestar Girls were a "squadron"? TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 18:23, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
    • While they were never fully referred to as one, Gretchen did say that Firestar Girls are flying starfighters. Since squadron itself is a fighter unit, I think it's a fair assessment. Bonzane10 Sabine Starbird (holonet) 03:45, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 19:42, 10 August 2023 (UTC)