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Faya Rodemos
- Nominated by: DwartiiDelver (talk) 14:20, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: The first of the Four Sages
(3 ACs/2 Users/5 Total)
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Support
- Good work OOM 224 ༼༽talk༼༽ 18:33, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, good work by DwartiiDelver, expert on the Dwartii Posse. Immi Thrax
(talk) 03:24, 9 April 2021 (UTC) 
MasterFred
(talk) 15:34, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
1358 (Talk) 19:34, 28 April 2021 (UTC)- Imperators II(Talk) 12:42, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Object
Macaroni
Why do you say "supposed" in ref 6?JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 03:37, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
- Due to the fact that the Sith were not actually destroyed at the end of the Jedi-Sith War. DwartiiDelver (talk) 18:27, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Have you investigated sources listed here for appearances or {{Po}}s?JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 18:43, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yep, I went through the appearances and sources for Palpatine's office in search of anything pertaining to the Four Sages of Dwartii, and have updated each of their pages accordingly. DwartiiDelver (talk) 19:04, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Please add aJediMasterMacaroni{{DEFAULTSORT}}.(Talk) 19:17, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for catching that—added. DwartiiDelver (talk) 19:20, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
- Quick today, are we? :P JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 19:21, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
- Quick today, are we? :P JediMasterMacaroni
- Thanks for catching that—added. DwartiiDelver (talk) 19:20, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
OOM
- (Reviewing note) Instead of just the first name, either full names or surnames should be provided in quote attributions, image captions, and the article body.
- I had a feeling this would come up in an objection (apologies for the incoming wall of text). While I realize there is a standard procedure, I would like to somewhat dispute it in this instance (I'm happy to discuss this with an AgriCorps member as well), as I believe a case could be made for a potential exception here. To begin, since the Sages were first named in 2005, they have been exclusively referred to by what we now know to be their first names (with the exception of Galaxy's Edge, which I will discuss in a moment). So in any reference book or novel they happened to be mentioned in, Faya Rodemos was known simply as Faya, Yanjon Zelmar was known simply as Yanjon, and so on. Even in the canon 2014 novel Tarkin, Sidious comments on his statue of Sistros Nevet by referring to the Sage simply as "Sistros." Then of course, Galaxy's Edge opened in 2019 and it was revealed the Sages had surnames, with their full names given on boxes containing statuettes of them. Despite this, the plaques listing the product name and price still list the Sages simply by their first names (so while the box says "Braata Danlos and Faya Rodemos," the price plaque simply says "Braata and Faya"). This isn't a hill I'm willing to die on, but I certainly do feel it's at least worth discussing.
- I understand that the sources mainly just use "Faya," but consider subjects like Galactic Republic, Galactic Civil War, and Din Djarin, which are also not commonly referred to as such in many sources. Articles would typically write out the full, formal name, e.g. "Din Djarin," even if the source referenced does not use that name and/or uses another term; articles shouldn't be constrained by the exact wording used in source materials. It's okay if a sentence says "Faya Rodemos" when it's sourced to something that only uses "Faya." And since it's fine to do so, it should be done for formality. OOM 224 ༼༽talk༼༽ 17:42, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
- Updated accordingly.
- I understand that the sources mainly just use "Faya," but consider subjects like Galactic Republic, Galactic Civil War, and Din Djarin, which are also not commonly referred to as such in many sources. Articles would typically write out the full, formal name, e.g. "Din Djarin," even if the source referenced does not use that name and/or uses another term; articles shouldn't be constrained by the exact wording used in source materials. It's okay if a sentence says "Faya Rodemos" when it's sourced to something that only uses "Faya." And since it's fine to do so, it should be done for formality. OOM 224 ༼༽talk༼༽ 17:42, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
- I had a feeling this would come up in an objection (apologies for the incoming wall of text). While I realize there is a standard procedure, I would like to somewhat dispute it in this instance (I'm happy to discuss this with an AgriCorps member as well), as I believe a case could be made for a potential exception here. To begin, since the Sages were first named in 2005, they have been exclusively referred to by what we now know to be their first names (with the exception of Galaxy's Edge, which I will discuss in a moment). So in any reference book or novel they happened to be mentioned in, Faya Rodemos was known simply as Faya, Yanjon Zelmar was known simply as Yanjon, and so on. Even in the canon 2014 novel Tarkin, Sidious comments on his statue of Sistros Nevet by referring to the Sage simply as "Sistros." Then of course, Galaxy's Edge opened in 2019 and it was revealed the Sages had surnames, with their full names given on boxes containing statuettes of them. Despite this, the plaques listing the product name and price still list the Sages simply by their first names (so while the box says "Braata Danlos and Faya Rodemos," the price plaque simply says "Braata and Faya"). This isn't a hill I'm willing to die on, but I certainly do feel it's at least worth discussing.
- (Reviewing note) Per WP:DASH, the hyphen should be used instead of an en dash when joining together two words or more (with exceptions as laid out in the policy) In this case, I've removed the en dash between "philosopher" and "lawgivers" per that policy.
- Thanks—I had used the en dash as I thought that's what the original source had used, though upon checking it again I see I was mistaken.
The article would benefit from enlarging the images a bit.Context for Gavin Bocquet- Added.
Please categorise the article (through Category:Four Sages of Dwartii where possible) for Faya's occupation as a lawgiver and affiliation to the Republic.- Added Category:Legal professionals and Category:Galactic Republic individuals to the Four Sages category page.
Did you check {{Episode III multimedia}} for any possible appearances/mentions? Of particular interest is that there's a lot of behind the scenes information for Episode III.OOM 224 ༼༽talk༼༽ 10:24, 10 March 2021 (UTC)- I have, yes. The Making of book has an on-set photo of Faya's statue, although it doesn't discuss it in the text so there is no new info to add, and I can't list it in the Sources section as it's from the pre Disney canon era. DwartiiDelver (talk) 16:18, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Does the source say "Gert [Stevens] did two new statues" or simply "Gert did two new statues"? It's fine if it's the former, but if it's the latter, the square brackets should not be italicised.OOM 224 ༼༽talk༼༽ 17:42, 10 March 2021 (UTC)- The latter—I've now un-italicized the brackets. DwartiiDelver (talk) 18:08, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Toprawa
The Equipment section seems rather unnecessary for this article. It would be better just to integrate mention of the hooded robe of the status into the Biography.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:20, 12 March 2021 (UTC)- Removed Equipment and added info to the Biography. DwartiiDelver (talk) 21:16, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- Objection(s) overridden by AgriCorps 19:30, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Fred strikes back
In the intro..."A thousand years later..." Later than what?MasterFred(talk) 06:11, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- Does that work, or should I throw an actual date into the intro? DwartiiDelver (talk) 15:05, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- I'd keep the prose the same but pipelink the date instead of Millennium. MasterFred(talk) 20:14, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- Done. I included "after" in the link as well, although I can take it back out if you think that'd be better. DwartiiDelver (talk) 03:11, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- I'd keep the prose the same but pipelink the date instead of Millennium. MasterFred
- Does that work, or should I throw an actual date into the intro? DwartiiDelver (talk) 15:05, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Imp
So is the ROTS art book the first instance Rodemos' last name was mentioned in Legends?Imperators II(Talk) 12:20, 23 April 2021 (UTC)- The last name "Rodemos" was never used in Legends—its first (and currently only) usage is at Galaxy's Edge. DwartiiDelver (talk) 13:07, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 14:02, 29 April 2021 (UTC)