Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Darth Gravid

< Wookieepedia:Good article nominations
The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a good article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.

Darth Gravid

  • Nominated by: —Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 13:26, February 25, 2013 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: Gravid and Gean's story interests me… I hope Luceno writes a novel, or at least a short story, on the two.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 13:26, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

(3 ACs/3 Users/6 Total)

Support

  1. Remember coming across this article ages ago while looking for some Banite Sith. Commander Code-8 G'day, mate 05:15, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Trak was scaring me with bug photos while I was reviewing this. Cade Calrayn GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit 05:39, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
  3. ACvote Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:36, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
  4. ACvote Gravid means "pregnant" in Swedish. :P 1358 (Talk) 18:30, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
  5. ACvote CC7567 (talk) 20:35, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Winterz (talk) 21:17, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Object

Grunny
  • In the infobox for the death date you use "c. 552 BBY" and judging by the ref note, I'm assuming this approximate based on a statement along the lines of "500 years ago" (I haven't read the book so correct me if this assumption is incorrect). In which case I'd consider using circa and "around" when describing the date to be appropriate (since it could really have been 498 years ago or something similar and the speaker just said a more general 500), yet for the rest of the article, including the succession box, you're using 552 BBY as a definite date. If you can be certain the date is 552 BBY, then the circa in the infobox should be removed, otherwise if it is an approximation, the other times the date is mentioned should make that clear. grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 10:25, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
CC-8
  • Can you properly give context to the Jedi in the intro and body.
  • Not an objection, but why does Luceno's quote have his/her rather than just his.
  • I also did a small copy-edit. Commander Code-8 G'day, mate 09:19, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
    • Thanks for that. I took care of the first objection. As for the second, Luceno's quote comes from Facebook, which was later posted on the force.net's website. Links here and here.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 15:07, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
Cadeth
  • I removed the Sith from the affiliations, as I really don't see the need for both Sith and the Order of the Sith Lords to be in the field.
    • Alright.
  • I think you should rework the last intro sentence to be more chronological - i.e., move his death to the end.
    • Done.
  • Isn't there another quote about Gravid you could use for the bio?
    • No, that is the only quote from a character in the novel about Gravid.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 05:36, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
  • Any way you can highlight the fact that essence transfer was among the techniques that he destroyed/eliminated before Gean killed him? You mention it in the beginning of the bio, but I remember something about how essence transfer was one of the specific techniques he destroyed.
    • I don't see how, there is no telling whether the information was something that he possessed in his mind or not.
  • Good work. Cade Calrayn GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit 05:29, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
Lemons
  • In the first sentence of the Biography, you claim he was Dark Lord before that date, yet in the reference you're clear about it not being that specific, so it can perfectly be before or after. Correct that, please.
  • "Eventually, Gean defeated and murdered Gravid, slewing him while she was unarmed", you should proably tweak this sentence. "Eventually" is not the correct introductory term because it was Gravid with the upper hand and so it became a turn of events. As for the unarmed part I'm a bit confused, do you mean "she" or "he"? If it really is she unarmed, then it's not "murder", considering that it was a fair duel, not an assassination.
  • Also, just wanted to note that you didn't need to ref the succession box. Nevermind..Winterz (talk) 18:28, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
Attack of the Clone
  • "the majority of the Sith lore": could you expand on this with a bit of context? Was it all of Sith lore "in existence"? Even if it's as simple as changing it to "the majority of the Sith's lore" (to clarify that it was all information in the Sith Order's possession) or "the majority of his Sith lore," I think it would help. Something along those lines.
    • Done.
  • Would it be possible to say that he was the "Dark Lord of the Sith" in both the intro and body? I realize that the title can belong to both Master and apprentice at the same time, but as I understand it, if he was the head of the Order of the Sith Lords (as the Master) then he was the ruler of that organization. Calling him "a" Dark Lord just sounds a little off because that implies there were more than one in existence—which is true given his apprentice, but I think it would be worth it being a little more specific here.
    • Good point, done.
  • Is the nature of his confrontation with Gean known, i.e. lightsaber duel/lightsaber combat? If so, those should ideally be linked somewhere.
    • Nothing is stated in the novel.
  • The "before-years" of the succession box should be filled in if known.
    • The date of Vectivus' reign is not known, other than the fact he preceded Gravid.
      • The Darth Vectivus states that he ruled "centuries prior to 40 ABY" and sources that to Legacy of the Force: Betrayal. Would you be able to check that? CC7567 (talk) 20:03, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
        • That is interesting. The article is correct, but all that is clear is that Vectivus reigned after Cognus, as did Gravid. The question is, when? All we know for certain is that Gravid's reign was 500 years before the events of the assassination attempt on Plagueis. Any thoughts on how we should proceed?—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 20:14, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
          • If any succession post-Cognus (i.e. Vectivus, Gravid, and Guile, and perhaps others as well) is only subject to fan interpretation at this point, then it looks like the before-years of Gravid's succession box either needs to be changed to "Eventually Darth Cognus" (who is Gravid's only confirmed successor) or be left blank entirely. Something similar would apply to Vectivus's "after-years" (i.e. "Eventually Darth Tenebrous" or blank entirely), if you'd be able to change that as well. As a side note, the Darth Guile seems to be formatted correctly—no succession box, since direct predecessors and successors aren't known yet. CC7567 (talk) 20:23, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
            • That's what I was thinking, too. As I did the research for Guile, there is no evidence that he was part of Bane's Order, just that he was a male Sith Lord. Please try it.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 20:29, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
              • And all that is known is that she took that unidentified apprentice after Millennial. Nothing is known about when Millennial was cast out of Bane's Order.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 20:31, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
  • Is the "years" field of the succession box correct? It sounds like it should be "Before c. 552 BBY," to be consistent with the rest of the article. CC7567 (talk) 19:36, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 21:24, March 7, 2013 (UTC)