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Darth Bane

  • Nominated by: Brandon Rhea(talk) 00:48, June 3, 2014 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: First time I've nominated a page for status in years, and (so far as I'm aware) the first canon page to be nominated for status. Please let me know if there's anything that needs doing to get this to GA status worthiness! - Brandon Rhea(talk) 00:48, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

(3 ACs/4 Users/7 Total)

Support

  1. Excellent work. Clone Commander Lee Talk 16:51, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
  2. --Alientraveller (talk) 17:10, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
  3. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 21:00, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Assuming the others' objections are met.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 17:12, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
  5. ACvote Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:00, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
  6. ACvote Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 03:19, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
  7. ACvote 1358 (Talk) 22:18, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

Object

Lee's charge
  • Two preliminaries: 1) Unsourced field in the infobox.
  • 2) IMHO, the "Legacy" is part of the biography and should be formatted that way. Clone Commander Lee Talk 09:36, June 3, 2014 (UTC)
    • I've sourced the infobox field and moved the Legacy section into the bio. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:25, June 3, 2014 (UTC)
  • BtS: I'm not sure if we can say that Bane appeared in Sacrifice, as he is some kind of illusion. Please reword Clone Commander Lee Talk 18:36, June 3, 2014 (UTC)
  • Intro: I see some missing links, like Jedi and death. Instead you link Jedi Order twice.
  • Intro: Context for Anakin Skywalker.
  • Infobox: Maybe a note that the picture of Bane is an illusion would be appropriate.
    • Not sure if that is still allowed, it definitely was in use some time ago.
  • Bio: There is no need to link Yoda, especially twice, in the quotes.
  • Bio: Mention his gender.
  • Bio: Please check your linking here too.
  • More to come. Maybe. Clone Commander Lee Talk 19:45, June 3, 2014 (UTC)
    • Fixed. The linking to death creates a redlink in the intro, which I will fill in. Regarding the note about the illusion in the infobox, I've never seen that in infoboxes before. Is that ok to do? - Brandon Rhea(talk) 19:53, June 3, 2014 (UTC)
  • Plus: Can you clarify in the bio that Bane was killed by the Jedi? Clone Commander Lee Talk 12:57, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
    • I'm not sure there's enough clarity in the information for that. In the Darth Bane Encyclopedia entry (here), second paragraph, it says the Jedi defeated Bane and then jumps to talking about his remains. You could certainly and very realistically interpret that to say that the Jedi killed Bane, but it also doesn't outright say it. My text is in line with that entry. I can certainly add that Bane was killed by the Jedi, but I wanted to bring this up first since I'm not sure we should. Let me know! - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:57, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
      • Hm, very poor writing from the Encyclopedia. However, as you currently say Bane was later killed by the Jedi (Intro) and leave it open in the bio, you have to decide which one to take and use it for intro and bio. Clone Commander Lee Talk 15:16, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
        • Good catch on the intro. I've altered the mentions of the Jedi killing Bane to saying that they defeated him, to avoid declaring who killed him one way or another. For all we know, it was his apprentice! - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:20, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
  • A little bit more context on the Clone Wars would be nice in the bio, since we don't know who fought against whom. This would help to understand where the clone troopers come from and why the Jedi are suddenly traitors. Clone Commander Lee Talk 15:33, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
  • One more: You mention a "war" between the Jedi and Sith in the intro, while in the bio it sounds more like a process over many years. Which one is more correct?Clone Commander Lee Talk 15:43, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
  • The Jedi learned of Bane's new order and: Should we create a new link for Bane's own order?
    • Personally? I'd go with no. I think Rule of Two covers it well enough, and the Encyclopedia treats the Rule of Two as a resurrection of the Sith—which would be covered in Sith. So until such a time as we actually know there were separate orders, like there is in Legends, I'd leave out an article on that. Given that, I've removed "new order" from the article, since—in retrospect—that appears to have been me projecting Legends knowledge onto canon. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:46, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
  • on Moraband, the ancient Sith homeworld: At least a link for planet is needed.
  • Maybe at a date for the publishing of "Sacrifice" and the novel.
  • That's it. Clone Commander Lee Talk 16:40, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
Fred strikes
  • Just at first glance, there is a redlink in the intro. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 16:06, June 3, 2014 (UTC)
    • Fixed. That was added by someone else who put (IMO) an unnecessary amount of detail into the introduction. I've reverted that edit. There is now a redlink (for the same link) in the Legacy section, which will soon be filled in. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:25, June 3, 2014 (UTC)
Ecks Dee
  • You could fit an image in the body, maybe of his tomb or something like that. 1358 (Talk) 16:09, June 3, 2014 (UTC)
    • Added an image of Yoda's encounter with the Darth Bane illusion. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:25, June 3, 2014 (UTC)
Clone fly-by
  • More information about the deleted scene from "Ghosts of Mortis" is available, since it was released in 3D story track version (which is as far as the scene got, animation-wise) on the Blu-ray version of Star Wars: The Clone Wars: The Complete Season Three. I have a transcript of the scene if necessary, but it would be ideal for you to watch it yourself and then add any pertinent information on Bane to the article, seeing as that scene was almost (but ultimately not) canon. CC7567 (talk) 01:12, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
    • Objection(s) overridden by AgriCorps 20:35, August 1, 2014 (UTC)
    • I don't have the Blu Ray. If you can provide the transcript, or if you know of anywhere the scene exists online, that'd be great. I actually didn't even know that existed until you said so, so that's really cool. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 01:25, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
      • Thanks CC for sending me the scene. I've added the information to the BtS. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:07, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
QGJ
  • In his time, the Sith were often fueled by their own individual lusts for powers, with Sith turning against their fellow Sith. The infighting led to the defeat of the Sith, as the Jedi Order was able to all but destroy the weakened Sith. Too much "Sith" in succession here. Could you use some synonyms to vary word usage a bit?
  • I have added redlinks to some general concepts like time, year, decade, etc., which don't have a canon version yet.
    • I can see an article for time, but—with the recent kick to delete pages that just serve as dictionary definitions—do we even need year, decade, and millennium? All of that could be covered in a time article. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:36, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
    • Actually, in thinking about it more, I don't think there's really anything worthwhile to write about time for now either. The Legends article for time makes sense, because you can write about hyperspace (as it relates to time), time travel, and the galactic calendar. There are no canon sources for time (that I'm aware of) beyond it being part of the structure of the universe, so I don't think having an article for time—or any of the other redlinks you added—are worth it until there's worthwhile information to add. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:54, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
  • Is there an article for Yoda's mission to Moraband? I believe it warrants one. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 13:07, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • Beginning with intro objections. I've left several redlinks/redirects that have Legends equivalents and should probably be filled in.
    • We discussed that in QuiGonJinn's objections above. Do you think those pages are actually worth creating with so little info at this point? - Brandon Rhea(talk) 01:33, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
      • Per an IRC discussion, I've added these pages. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 02:33, August 9, 2014 (UTC)
  • Note that there is a significant difference between a Dark Lord of the Sith and a regular Sith Lord. This article currently has Bane categorized as a Dark Lord, but the article itself never mentions or links to this title. In the EU, Bane would have been considered the first Dark Lord, which, judging from his SW.com Encyclopedia entry, I'm assuming holds true here as well: Bane enacted the Sith rule of two: there would be only two active Sith at one time -- a Dark Lord to embody the power, and an apprentice to crave it. If you're going to say he's a Dark Lord, this should be mentioned someplace in both the intro and the body. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:48, August 1, 2014 (UTC)
    • I added a few mentions to Dark Lord of the Sith. I would not, however, be comfortable suggesting he was the first Dark Lord of the Sith. That's speculation in canon, and nothing about the quote you used suggests that it was the first time the term Dark Lord was used. As an aside, canonically, I don't think there's a difference between Dark Lord of the Sith, and Sith Lord. The Darth Bane encyclopedia entry refers to him as a Sith Lord and a Dark Lord. Palpatine as well has been referred to as both a Dark Lord and Sith Lord. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 01:33, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
  • Continuing through the body. The mention of Endor taking place twenty-three years after the end of ROTS needs to be sourced to something more specific than the ROTJ film, which doesn't provide any kind of dating. I don't believe Canon had a defined timeline until a few days ago, actually. Leland Chee made a Twitter post confirming the number of years taking place between each of the films, TCW, and Rebels, and I think that's the only thing we have to go on right now. I don't have the Twitter post on hand as I type this, but that's probably what you would need to source that to. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:58, August 9, 2014 (UTC)
    • I added the tweet, plus an explanation within the ref. How does that look? - Brandon Rhea(talk) 02:19, August 10, 2014 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 22:18, August 14, 2014 (UTC)


Due to the StarWars.com redesign, and the removal of Darth Bane's entry on the official site, this page may have a significant amount of information removed from it. It'll depend on whether we continue to treat the now-old Star Wars Encyclopedia, available through wayback archives, as valid information. If it's not, I will remove the SWE information, and then we can see whether the page is still a viable GAN or if it could/should become a CAN. Stay tuned. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 00:10, July 2, 2014 (UTC)

  • I see no reason why any Encyclopedia information should be excluded. The Encyclopedia has always been nothing more than a brief regurgitation and expansion on TCW and film material with a whole lot of images; there's nothing in there that is/was Legends. It's basically the same as the situation with the old Databank. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 00:14, July 2, 2014 (UTC)