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Chest binder

  • Nominated by: DarthSkyll (talk) 15:06, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments:
  • Date Archived: 23:50, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Final word count: 392 words (35 introduction, 265 body, 92 behind the scenes)
  • WookieeProject (optional): WP:THR, WP:Pride

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Support

  1. ACvote —spookywillowwtalk 21:43, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
  2. ACvote Lewisr (talk) 22:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
  3. Panther436 (talk) 23:17, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
  4. Awesome OOM 224 (he/him) 19:41, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
  5. ACvote TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 23:48, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Object

Anil
  • Per the Layout Guide, only the release year should be provided for standalone sources and sources that are part of a longer-running series such as novels.
  • Does the novel itself note that it's part of Phase II? If not, an additional source like this one should do the trick. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 15:52, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the information, I updated it.DarthSkyll (talk) 20:35, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
  • One last nitpick: That Transition Resource Wiki article looks well-written and comprehensive, and listing it in External links makes sense, but could you please find another source just for the BTS citation? Per the attribution policy, wikis in general are not considered reliable sources since they are written by unnamed author(s) with possibly insufficient fact-checking process. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 22:41, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
spookly
  • Heya, glad to see this up. A small thing: whenever a real-world equivalent exists, a line such as "In the real world, Article is/are used for x purpose." is usually added to the BtS, then sourced to a reputable website of some such with its definition on it.
  • More of an up to you thing; it could also have the relevant Wikipedia article's subsection linked to in an ==External links== section.
  • Intro doesn't need any references.
  • For non-specific objects or tools using any of the infoboxes in the items category (that could in theory be used by anyone else, instead of being a singular item), we omit the |owners= and |affiliations= fields. Tends to be the case for most clothing articles unfortunately, unless it's a specific person's piece of clothing or something (for example, if Graf's binder itself had a page, that would keep both owners and affiliations, but not the general page on all ones).—spookywillowwtalk 16:23, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
    • I removed the intro reference and the owners and affiliations fields and I hope I added enough the the BTS section.DarthSkyll (talk) 20:35, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Human is intro exclusive.—spookywillowwtalk 21:28, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
    • What do you mean by that? DarthSkyll (talk) 22:17, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
      • In the introduction, "...the human pilot Sky Graf used a chest binder to ease their anxiety." is used. If any sort of context/links are used in the intro, they also have to be used in the body of the article so that the information isn't only in the top part; so human needs to get added and linked somewhere in the History section.—spookywillowwtalk 23:14, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Just a small thing I've noticed: the Description section should also include 'also known as binders' / 'or simply binders' as well. Reasoning for this being the intro introduces it as an alternate name, and so it should be introduced pretty early on the in article (as it's currently only mentioned in the last sentence of the history).
  • Might need to find space for a High Republic Era link somewhere in the body; currently is only in the intro.
  • "Graf had told their father that…"—would be great if this sentence could be split in two, is a bit of a run-on as is.
  • It seems to be modern precedent to prosify BtS information in the body of the BtS section itself. I think most of the BtS quote's caption could be trimmed to just be Gratton's name, and then move those details about the author's response of the inquiry to a new sentence of its own, in something possibly similar to "In response to a fan on Twitter, Gratton said…"—spookywillowwtalk 19:53, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
    • I added 'also known as binders' and 'during the High Republic Era' to the body and split that one sentence in two. I also moved the details about Tessa Gratton's tweet to the BtS section's body. I used present tense in phrases like 'they didn't know if it is the first binder'. Is that correct or should I change it to past tense? DarthSkyll (talk) 10:00, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
      • Would've needed to be past tense, but ended up fixing that in a copy-edit prior to reading this response, so all solved. Nice work on those points!—spookywillowwtalk 21:43, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
Lew
  • The date note needs to be amended to reflect other status articles from the book such as Perlandia and Belt of Urn-Aram Lewisr (talk) 16:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
  • I found a tweet from Tessa Gratton which would make a good bts quote Lewisr (talk) 16:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Publisher doesn't need to be mentioned in the BTS Lewisr (talk) 16:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
  • I think it would be worth going into a little more as to why Sky remembered about the chest binder Lewisr (talk) 16:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
  • You can refer to Dass himself as a prospector, the book does Lewisr (talk) 16:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
    • I updated the BTS section and the added some more details to the history section, is it enough or should I add more?DarthSkyll (talk) 20:35, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
      • You'll need to create a year page for the prior year for Sky's father disappearing and link it, but looks good otherwise thanks. I've also left 2 unstruck that haven't been addressed yet Lewisr (talk) 21:34, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Have you checked these sources in the event the binder is mentioned there? Lewisr (talk) 21:34, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
    • I have checked all the sources Sky is mentioned in and the binder is never mentioned. I changed the BTS section, it now reflects the other status articles. I also added the quote (sorry, totally overread that), but I can't create a backup link. I'll try again later. And I will now create a page for 383 BBY. You also left your fourth objection point unstruck, do I need to go into more detail in the history section? DarthSkyll (talk) 22:17, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
      • No worries, just when you're able to since the page currently sits in Category:Pages with missing permanent archival links. When I said about reflecting the other status pages I was referring to the date note used for 'Around 385 BBY' and ' in 382 BBY' in the body itself, but updating the BTS is also good so thanks. I left the other unstruck as I was waiting for the year page to be made before it was complete, have struck now Lewisr (talk) 22:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
        • I see, thanks for clarifying. I changed the date note a bit, to include both 382 BBY and 385 BBY, I hope that's ok. DarthSkyll (talk) 23:26, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
          • No problem, thanks for doing that Lewisr (talk) 00:43, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
  • We don't really cite to wikipedia per attribution, so you'll need to use a different source. I saw you had referenced to the transition resource wiki before chaning, is the info you have not citable to that? Lewisr (talk) 00:43, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
    • I changed it back. The section briefly included information from Wikipedia, but I was told I should leave that out, so I can reference the transition resource wiki again. DarthSkyll (talk) 06:57, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
DFaceG
  • BTS shouldn't mention specifically transgender men. There are cisgender women, nonbinary individuals, and many individuals of other gender identities who also use chest binders, and not solely out of gender dysphoria but sometimes also body dysphoria or other reasons. Ergo, statement should be more broad so it doesn't appear exclusionary, even though that isn't the intent. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 23:20, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
    • That is a good point. 'Transgender people' do include non-binary people, but I can change it to 'Transgender and non-binary people' if you think it is more inclusive. I added that some cisgender men and women also use chest binding, but didn't name specific reasons. Or should I leave out that sentence entirely? DarthSkyll (talk) 00:00, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
      • Specific mention of any gender/sexual identities is probably best excluded. Just "people" in general is more inclusive. Same goes for specificity on the reasoning; best not to be specific as specificity can denote exclusion. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 00:04, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
        • You're right. I think it's best to just leave out that entire sentence. DarthSkyll (talk) 00:14, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
Panther
  • Great job with this! One thing: in the second paragraph of the bio it's stated "The chase was a contest sponsored by the San Tekka clan and the Graf family to map hyperspace routes and to reach the mysterious Planet X…" This isn't exactly true and should be reworded a little, as the point of the chase was not to find Planet X, Sky and Dass just wanted to use the chase to find it. Panther436 (talk) 05:07, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
    • Thanks for pointing it out, I reworded it. DarthSkyll (talk) 10:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 23:48, 1 December 2023 (UTC)