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17
(4 ACs/1 Users/5 Total)
Support
- 501st dogma(talk) 02:53, January 23, 2015 (UTC)
Sir Cavalier of One
(Squadron channel) 13:13, March 16, 2015 (UTC)- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:04, March 16, 2015 (UTC)
Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 23:18, April 2, 2015 (UTC)- IFYLOFD (Talk) 01:53, April 4, 2015 (UTC)
Object
501st
" 17 and 35 then joined two other clone troopers in defending a barricade from Confederate B1 battle droids." You're lacking mention of how Boss was with them here. I know you later say Boss was with them, but make sure you do it right away.501st dogma(talk) 14:06, January 17, 2015 (UTC)
Toprawa
Is this sentence really that critical for the intro? It doesn't have anything directly to do with 17 and is kind of extraneous. "One of the troopers died in the attack, while the other survived."I removed two of the BTS sentences because they were highly trivial and not really necessary. Concerning the second sentence about 17 saying "commandos," are we sure that's really an error, or is he indeed just referring to the commandos in general? Because it seems like that sentence can easily go as well if it's not exactly a mistake.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:48, March 15, 2015 (UTC)- Regarding your removal of the reference to the guide, I was under the impression that all sources/appearances had to be mentioned in the BTS (I think from this nomination)? The quote included previously is exactly how it is said in the game, so "Hey look, commandos..." should probably have been "Hey look, a commando..." This happens as soon as you come across the troopers. It was also suggested in the previous nomination to add note this in the BTS. Manoof (talk) 22:09, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
- There's no policy or precedent that says every source has to be mentioned in the BTS. If anything, our precedent is to do the exact opposite. The BTS only needs to mention sources that introduce new information or otherwise expand greatly upon a subject's history. It's very unnecessary to mention sources that indirectly mention something. And regarding the commandos, I don't see this as an error. I think it's clear that 17 and Three-Five are intending to reference a group of approaching commandos (plural), who apparently are off-screen, and that Boss is just a part of an arriving group. I would suggest removing that last BTS sentence, since it's really just kind of trivial either way. There's no definitive error there. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:15, March 16, 2015 (UTC)
- Regarding your removal of the reference to the guide, I was under the impression that all sources/appearances had to be mentioned in the BTS (I think from this nomination)? The quote included previously is exactly how it is said in the game, so "Hey look, commandos..." should probably have been "Hey look, a commando..." This happens as soon as you come across the troopers. It was also suggested in the previous nomination to add note this in the BTS. Manoof (talk) 22:09, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
This final objection is certainly a sofixit, but I'm leaving it here to raise awareness with you for this kind of thing. Please look at the title for the Notes and references section. It currently says "Notes & References." That's horribly wrong. We neither use ampersands nor capitalize "References." It should be "Notes and references." Please revise and pay attention to this for future nominations.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:10, March 16, 2015 (UTC)
Exiled Jedi
Does the game use the names DC-15S blaster and Phase I clone trooper armor?- No, they are visually identified compared to other sources which name them, the duck test I believe it's called? I thought the reference was fine, since although the game doesn't identify them, they are what they are? To reference it do I instead say something like "Although Republic Commando doesn't identify the blaster or armor, they are visually identical to the DC-15S blaster and Phase I clone trooper armor, as identified in [source]", splitting it into two references if two separate sources? Manoof (talk) 00:36, March 17, 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah, I would reference the names in a manner similar to this.--Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 03:25, March 17, 2015 (UTC)
- On second thought, just use a double reference for them with one ref being the game and the other being the source with the name. <ref name="RC" /><ref name="Name source">''[[Name source]]''</ref>--Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 03:32, March 17, 2015 (UTC)
- Hmmm, struggling to find a source that names either one, nothing I have names them specifically (best I have names the blaster as a DC-15 blaster, rather than the DC-15S)... Will get in contact with people who have the other sources and see what can be found... Manoof (talk) 07:06, March 20, 2015 (UTC)
- The only source that calls it DC-15S and identifies it visually is the Revenge of the Sith Visual Dictionary. That's your source. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 02:02, March 23, 2015 (UTC)
- Awesome, does it also specify the clone armor as Phase 1? If I change it to just "clone trooper armor" and pipelink it, is that ok instead? Manoof (talk) 06:19, March 23, 2015 (UTC)
- Correct, to answer your first question. To answer your second, it's not my objection, but that would not satisfy the issue for me. You're still asserting Phase I armor even if you're pipelinking. Looking through these sources to find this information is about as easy as going through everything in the DC-15S and now the Phase I Sources lists. It took me about 15 minutes to do the first one, which makes me wonder how much effort you actually put into it after saying you struggled to find a source. If you don't have access to sources and are unable to satisfy this objection by yourself, say so, and other people will likely be able to help you. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:04, March 23, 2015 (UTC)
- Awesome, does it also specify the clone armor as Phase 1? If I change it to just "clone trooper armor" and pipelink it, is that ok instead? Manoof (talk) 06:19, March 23, 2015 (UTC)
- The only source that calls it DC-15S and identifies it visually is the Revenge of the Sith Visual Dictionary. That's your source. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 02:02, March 23, 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks to Tope, this is now referenced as you suggested. Manoof (talk) 03:50, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- Hmmm, struggling to find a source that names either one, nothing I have names them specifically (best I have names the blaster as a DC-15 blaster, rather than the DC-15S)... Will get in contact with people who have the other sources and see what can be found... Manoof (talk) 07:06, March 20, 2015 (UTC)
- On second thought, just use a double reference for them with one ref being the game and the other being the source with the name. <ref name="RC" /><ref name="Name source">''[[Name source]]''</ref>--Exiled Jedi
- Yeah, I would reference the names in a manner similar to this.--Exiled Jedi
- No, they are visually identified compared to other sources which name them, the duck test I believe it's called? I thought the reference was fine, since although the game doesn't identify them, they are what they are? To reference it do I instead say something like "Although Republic Commando doesn't identify the blaster or armor, they are visually identical to the DC-15S blaster and Phase I clone trooper armor, as identified in [source]", splitting it into two references if two separate sources? Manoof (talk) 00:36, March 17, 2015 (UTC)
You use both Three-Five and 35 to refer to the other clone. Are both correct?I just want to make sure that the game refers to this guy as "17" while also referring to the other guy as "Three-Five." It just seems odd that there would be a difference.--Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 23:08, March 16, 2015 (UTC)Please see my first objection on Three-Five and correct as necessary.--Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 23:22, March 16, 2015 (UTC)
Floyd
Comments
At the moment Three-Five redirects. I will be moving 35 (Geonosis) to that page as he is referred to as "Three-Five" in the audio, and only "35" in the subtitles. I have thus put a conjecture tag at the top of this page, instead of the callsign. Manoof (talk) 05:22, January 13, 2015 (UTC)- Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 01:53, April 4, 2015 (UTC)