- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a featured article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.
Willrow Hood
- Nominated by: Jorrel
Fraajic 22:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC) - Nomination comments: Ice Cream Maker Guy! Also, 1,060-ish words, and almost as many flavors! (Thanks, Ozzel)
(6 Inqs/0 Users/6 Total)
Support
Why didn't they just leave it as an ice cream machine? Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:38, 21 May 2008 (UTC)- Master Aban Fiolli {Alpheridies University ComNet} 06:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Nice main pic…some helpful Inq must have gotten that for you :P Nice article, too; it gave me something to read today, when I should have been doing something else, heh. Greyman@wikia(Talk) 01:15, 23 May 2008 (UTC)- Chack Jadson (Talk) 20:26, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- Imperialles 12:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
- --Eyrezer 23:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Oppose
- From the Merciless Hammer of Toprawa:
I guess this kind of reads awkward to me, figuring that you can't really work "on" a gas giant, if you understand my meaning. Please tweak this around a little bit to say he worked on Cloud City over Bespin, and not necessarily "on the gas giant": "who lived and worked on the gas giant planet Bespin"- Moved later statement in the same sentence to clarify better.
I'm not sure "capturing" and "liberating" a planet necessarily work well together in the same description: "the Alliance was able to capture the planet and liberate it"- See, therein lies the interest :P . Fixed.
"Active duty" seems to suggest that he was somehow a military man, when the intro tells me he was little more than a business contact. Please reword: "retired from active duty."- Retired the statement.
This kind of doesn't make sense given the previous sentence. You say at some point he began working for them, but then this sentence says he had been working for them for some time...this needs to have some kind of qualifier, as in, "sometime as of 3 ABY," for ex? Can you specify a date for this? "and had been working with A'roFilter for quite some time."- Qualified.
This seems to suggest that Vader visited Cloud City at her behest, which isn't true. Vader took his fleet to Cloud City after Fett tracked Solo there. Please reword as appropriate: "She contacted Darth Vader, who in turn visited Cloud City"- Explained, and changed.
Assist in what? This doesn't really make sense to me: "he was shown to be willing to trust even those he suspected, provided they truly revealed a willingness to assist."This clause doesn't grammatically fit what you have. I understand what you're trying to say, but this is essentially reading that "he took the opportunity to prefer": "once he was able to, took the opportunity to do so"Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:27, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
"He worked for A'roFilter ... as the head of dealing with the Rebels for discounted Tibanna gas." - From the intro. This is awkward.- Specified, cleaned up.
As is this: "Eventually, though, the Galactic Empire invaded and conquered the planet; in order to protect the Rebellion contacts Hood was responsible for, Hood took A'roFilter's main computer's memory core, where the encrypted information was stored, and disposed of it, rather than risk it falling into the wrong hands, saving the Alliance's interests."- Geez, what a run on. Split up and reworded.
In the bio you say he moved to Bespin, yet in the infobox you have Bespin as his homeworld. We usually treat homeworld as world of origin. --Eyrezer 06:14, 1 June 2008 (UTC)- You can blame the databank for that discrepancy; The entry states in its infobox that his homeworld is Bespin, but the article says "Hood moved to Bespin to work for A'roFilter". I can remove one or the other, but, just for the record, I was working off of what the Databank said. JorrelFraajic 16:53, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
- Hmm. That's happened before with Tzizvvt. I recall in that instance though, there was other evidence indicating his homeworld was Jandoon. As I believe we use it for birth place, I'd rather it was removed. --Eyrezer 22:44, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, based on Luke Skywalker's and Leia Organa Solo's pages, it shows that "birthworld" is different then "homeworld". Still not entirely sure where to go on this, though, as nothing in Hood's Databank gives any other evidence.
- But we know where they grew up, hence the homeworld field. We do not know where Hood grew up. To place Bespin in the field would be conjecture/fanon to my mind. --Eyrezer 03:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- How can that be, though? The Databank entry itself says "Homeworld: Bespin." So it's far from being conjecture or fanon. It's maybe a contradiction, but even that's not confirmed in any way, shape, or form. Thefourdotelipsis 04:33, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- Easy. We do not know what the Databank means by homeworld and so do not know if it corresponds to our meaning. The text of his entry makes it clear that "Hood moved to Bespin to work for A'roFilter". Therefore he was not born there, nor was he raised there. Where someone was born on one world and grew up elsewhere (ie, Luke with Polis Massa vs Tatooine), we place the birthplace in birth, and place they grew up in the homeworld field. We know neither of these from Hood's entry and so it should be left blank. Just because the Databank uses "homeworld" for his place of employment does not mean it corresponds to the meaning we give it. --Eyrezer 04:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- How do you know he wasn't born or raised there? That's conjecture, to my mind. He could have been born and/or raised on (or over) Bespin, moved away, and then moved back there to work. As far as I can recall, Databank entries have used the term "homeworld" in much the same fashion as we have...I'm not sure we should suddenly start thinking they're doing otherwise for this article. Thefourdotelipsis 05:21, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- How do I know he wasn't born there? Because he moved there for to work. If you're gonna go for your reasoning it needs to be put in the article. --Eyrezer 07:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- As I said before, just because he was born or raised there doesn't mean he couldn't move there later. But we don't know. That's the point. That's why it only really works as an infobox item. As it stands, I don't think it's worth this much argument, and Jorrel will do what he will, but I just think it would be highly remiss to not include clearly, obviously, and unambiguously stated canon information. Thefourdotelipsis 07:55, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- How do I know he wasn't born there? Because he moved there for to work. If you're gonna go for your reasoning it needs to be put in the article. --Eyrezer 07:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- How do you know he wasn't born or raised there? That's conjecture, to my mind. He could have been born and/or raised on (or over) Bespin, moved away, and then moved back there to work. As far as I can recall, Databank entries have used the term "homeworld" in much the same fashion as we have...I'm not sure we should suddenly start thinking they're doing otherwise for this article. Thefourdotelipsis 05:21, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- Easy. We do not know what the Databank means by homeworld and so do not know if it corresponds to our meaning. The text of his entry makes it clear that "Hood moved to Bespin to work for A'roFilter". Therefore he was not born there, nor was he raised there. Where someone was born on one world and grew up elsewhere (ie, Luke with Polis Massa vs Tatooine), we place the birthplace in birth, and place they grew up in the homeworld field. We know neither of these from Hood's entry and so it should be left blank. Just because the Databank uses "homeworld" for his place of employment does not mean it corresponds to the meaning we give it. --Eyrezer 04:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- How can that be, though? The Databank entry itself says "Homeworld: Bespin." So it's far from being conjecture or fanon. It's maybe a contradiction, but even that's not confirmed in any way, shape, or form. Thefourdotelipsis 04:33, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- But we know where they grew up, hence the homeworld field. We do not know where Hood grew up. To place Bespin in the field would be conjecture/fanon to my mind. --Eyrezer 03:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, based on Luke Skywalker's and Leia Organa Solo's pages, it shows that "birthworld" is different then "homeworld". Still not entirely sure where to go on this, though, as nothing in Hood's Databank gives any other evidence.
- Hmm. That's happened before with Tzizvvt. I recall in that instance though, there was other evidence indicating his homeworld was Jandoon. As I believe we use it for birth place, I'd rather it was removed. --Eyrezer 22:44, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
- You can blame the databank for that discrepancy; The entry states in its infobox that his homeworld is Bespin, but the article says "Hood moved to Bespin to work for A'roFilter". I can remove one or the other, but, just for the record, I was working off of what the Databank said. Jorrel
Finally, I presume there is no info on what actor played this guy? --Eyrezer 22:44, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Comments
- Because Graestan insisted, here's a quote from the last part of Insider 49's article on Hood: "Farewell, Ice Cream Guy, and good luck selling your ice cream on some other, more appreciative planet." JorrelFraajic 22:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'm not going to object on this, but I do not see the need for the comic main-body image since it is a sketch of the famous picture seen in the infobox. Basically, it almost seems like having a duplicate image. I'm not certain on policy on this, but I personally do not think the main-body sketch is necessary. Master Aban Fiolli {Alpheridies University ComNet} 06:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- I was thinking along the same lines when I was looking through this, but didn't make an objection. This won't be an objection either, of course, but I definitely agree. The image is repetitive and probably unnecessary. Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- I don't like the last sentence in the intro. It's somewhat...random, coming out of nowhere. And I share the same sentiments about the image as the two Inqs above me. Chack Jadson (Talk) 21:40, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
- I was thinking along the same lines when I was looking through this, but didn't make an objection. This won't be an objection either, of course, but I definitely agree. The image is repetitive and probably unnecessary. Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- Jorrel, have you thought about using this picture in the BtS? File:Wilrow the magnificent.gif. Not sure how other Inq would feel, but I don't personally see a problem with it in the BtS since it illustrates what you talk about in there—that is, if it can be found that it's not fanwork (I'm not sure). The only thing is I can't seem to find a source for the picture itself. 4dot uploaded it, so maybe asking him would work. The url which is stamped on the image is creaturecantina.com, but I haven't been able to find the image there. I've never seen a copy of Star Wars Insider 49, so I'm not even sure if it's a image from there :S Anyways, some food for thought, Jorrel :) Greyman@wikia(Talk) 20:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- Based on the talk page, it appears that it is indeed fanart. Bummer, too; I recalled that image from a bit ago, and, when I decided to do Hood's article, wanted to put it in. Oh well; win some, lose some. Still willing to see if anyone can prove otherwise (however unlikely that will be) JorrelFraajic 22:12, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
- Based on the talk page, it appears that it is indeed fanart. Bummer, too; I recalled that image from a bit ago, and, when I decided to do Hood's article, wanted to put it in. Oh well; win some, lose some. Still willing to see if anyone can prove otherwise (however unlikely that will be) Jorrel