Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Waru

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Waru

• Nominated by: ^Jorrel_Fraajic 02:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
• Nomination comments: A project at least one year and three months in the making.

(5 Inq/3 Users/8 Total)

Support

1. I read it yesterday and to my addmittedly not incredibly refined pallete...Incredible. NaruHina ^Talk 03:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
2. DC 17:52, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
3. See, this is what happens when you take LSD, kids. Green Tentacle ^(Talk) 19:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
4. The great WARU deserves no less than an FA. Ifindyourlackoffaithdisturbing ^{(Oya Manda!)} 23:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
5. Bow down and worship. Objections resolved on IRC. Cull Tremayne 04:47, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
6. Makes me want to re-read The Crystal Star ... or not. - Cavalier One^{(Squadron channel)} 14:44, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
7. Ew, The Crystal Star... Greyman^(Talk) 05:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
8. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 01:49, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

1. DC
   • When you say Hethrir is Anakin's apprentice, you mean Vader, don't you?
     • Yes. Forgot a pipelink.
   • "Likewise, Waru's own history was largely a mystery." POVish.
     • Explicitly stated in an IU source (EC & NEC). I just reworded so as to not steal the words.
   • Could you mention Xaverri's connection to Han Solo?
     • Mentioned.
   • "Waru was largely mysterious being, partially due to the unknowns surrounding his home and his species. As such, his actions and motives were often hard to understand." This seems like POV and OR.
     • Like above; stated in TCS, EC, NEC, and EGtC.
   • "The Cult of Waru, and the being himself, welcomed all forms of sentience into their halls, including the oft-ignored droid." Is C-3P0 the "oft ignored" droid you're talking about?
     • Well, that was meant in general, as in... hmm. It's kind of hard to explain. Essentially, what I'm saying is that droids in general were often ignored, especially in religious circles, but the Cult was different. Does that fix the issue?
       • Well, just make it more clear so a reader doesn't think it's C-3PO; make it clear that it's any old droid that could be excepted.
         • Objection resolved per IRC discussion. DC 17:51, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
   • Was there any known reception to Pena's poems about Waru?
     • None. Not from the original thread or the blog. :(
   • Great article. I might return for more though... DC 17:51, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
     • You have fun with that ;) ^Jorrel_Fraajic 01:55, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
2. From the ichor-dripping desk of Atarumaster88
   • "Waru was a being unmatched from any of the known species in the New Republic database as well as several others not" (intro) Reword to be less clunky.
     • Reworded.
       • Still sort of confused on what these "multiple entries" are. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 18:21, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
         • Better now?
   • The whole idea of how Waru got to the Galaxy and its dimensions is quite confusing in the intro. Please clear this up.
     • Took an attempt at making it less confusing. Better?
       • Better, but now has redundancy in combined…combination, needs rewording.
         • I think I've fixed what you saw.
   • "golden being" When in the intro is Waru introduced as golden?
     • Reworked first and last paragraph to not only flow better but provide the context you requested.
   • "the effects of the crystal star" What effects?
     • The dying/crystallizing, though I suppose I should mention the repercussions through the Force (which I've mentioned, now)
   • "is unsure what happened after Waru contracted;" Tense, and this is utterly unacceptable to have things like "fate is unknown", per MoS. I did change the tense, though.
     • But that's based upon in-universe documents' own conflicts. If you read later in the article, I've fully explained and referenced everything pertaining to this conflict.
       • How you've reworded it is better. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 18:21, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
   • "Waru's own history was largely a mystery" POV.
     • Again, in-universe documents state this. Do you have a suggestion so as to avoid this?
       • How about "a mystery to New Republic observers and historians"
         • Sounds good. Changed.
   • 1st paragraph of Cult of Waru needs variety in verbs. Select . . . selected . . . select.
     • Selected select selections and removed/reworded selectively.
   • "which Waru more often than not joined" What did he join? The mourning or the acceptance?
     • Clarified.
   • I believe a lot of the statements you make about Waru, such as "this too was an act" are from a given POV, unless explicitly stated that Waru did in fact behave or feel that way.
     • Yeah, I got rid of that. If you can think of any other examples in the article, I'll look and fix if needed.
   • "Previously, Solo and Xaverri had worked against the Empire through subterfuge" Context, context, context.
     • Contextified.
   • "The group went undercover as tourists" What group?
     • Clarified.
   • "The next day" The next day after what? After Leia frees the people on the Rebirth?
     • No, the next day on Crseih. Clarified.
       • Again, next day on Crseih after what? Still needs clarification.
         • After the day before? :P Fixed.
   • "Waru took the opportunity to keep the charade" Charade of what?
     • Rephrased, because I'm not too sure.
   • "Solo was struck dumbfounded at his perception" What perception?
     • The perception of the events that transpired. I've clarified and reworked the sentence.
   • "Pleased that the former Procurator of Justice had brought him such a gift, as Anakin Solo was the grandson of Darth Vader" This is unclear. What does Darth Vader have to do with Waru's pleasure?
     • That Vader was known as being exceedingly powerful. Mentioned.
   • "two siblings into giving themselves to him" Which two siblings? Luke and Leia? Jacen and Jaina? Context!
     • Bah, I hate it when it's a family affair. Clarified.
       • Okay, but nowhere do you establish that Leia is Luke's sister. Context for odd nerd who's looking at a Waru article without having seen ROTJ, please. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 19:26, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
         • Odd nerds need to get out from under rocks if they don't know that. Also probably need to socialize more, since it's common knowledge among even non-nerds. Regardless, contextified yet again. (And I still hate family affairs :P) ^Jorrel_Fraajic 03:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
         • Hold it. I do mention Leia and Luke are brother/sister in the same section, paragraph one, first sentence. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 04:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
           • My bad. I just ran a quick Ctrl+F for "sister" when it was right in front of my face. 9_9 Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 05:15, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
   • "Waru was a largely mysterious being" Vague, and needs reworded.
     • Took a shot at this - koovy?
   • "In the event that Waru had to kill one of his patients to recover his own vitality, he took satisfaction in doing so." Again, I believe this is a judgment made by Han Solo, not explicit fact.
     • To be fair, Xaverri also made the same observation, so it is backed. Also, I might be making this up since I'm drawing explicitly from memory, that the EC and NEC also mention his pleasure at the killing. If I'm wrong, feel free to smack me.
   • Physical appearance sections are not in the MoS. Please incorporate this into P&T, and not make a separate section so as to avoid an unwelcome precedent.
     • "Unwelcome"? Look, this is an as-of-yet completely independent creature. There is no way to explain his appearance beyond making the specific section, since he's so unique. Merging it into the P&T would likely lose some of the clarity I put in there for just that reason. I'm willing to hear a counter-argument, but I'd like to keep it as-is.
       • One could make the same argument for a number of other "as-of-yet completely independent creatures", such as Mount Sorrow, dare I mention it. This is a galaxy filled with unique things, and that information more properly belongs in article hypothetically named Waru's species or Waru (species), not in a character article. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 19:26, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
         • An alternate take: Just because something isn't in the MOS doesn't mean it's not worthy to be included. Technically, it has also never been stated that Waru is part of a species, since he's the first and only seen (nothing in the text indicates that there are other "Waru beings", just that he was lonely.) Furthermore, it technically is in the P&T as a subsection. I, as well as some others I polled, feel it is cleaner and more organized this way. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 03:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
           • I see the sub-section bit, but I still don't like it. If it's a living creature, it has a species. Simple as that. Without clear Inqusitorius consensus on this, I am very loathe to just let this by, because of the precedent it would be establishing-we have voted down physical appearance sections numerous times in the past-and I see no reason why Waru should be an exception. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 05:15, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
             • Ah, but saying "it's a living creature, therefore it has a species" is OR in and of itself. We have several independent creatures without identified species. As for Inq consensus, as soon as I figure out how, I will. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 16:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
               • Hashed out on IRC that Physical Appearance sections are okay only for unique characters that lack a known species. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 18:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
   • "Because The Crystal Star has often been recognized among fans of Star Wars as "the worst Star Wars novel ever",[8] Waru has become something of a cult icon" I'm having a hard time generating the causal link between the two. Please clarify.
     • Clarified, hopefully.
   • Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 18:21, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
     • It has been exceedingly super, terrific, friendly, and un-frustrating today. Odd. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 18:55, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 02:03, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

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Inquisitorius vote to strike objection from Atarumaster88

1. From Wookieepedia:Layout Guide: "Each of these sections may be further subdivided as appropriate." I'd hate to see this as the only thing holding up the article's featured status. Graestan^(Talk) 00:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
2. -- AdmirableAckbar ^(Talk) 18:02, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
   • Objection has been addressed in IRC. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 18:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)