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Taron Malicos

  • Nominated by: TomotronRevanchist SithStar Forge 06:25, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: First FAN!
  • Date Archived: 18:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Final word count: 3279 words (355 introduction, 2276 body, 648 behind the scenes)
  • Word count at nomination time: 3369 words (370 introduction, 2321 body, 678 behind the scenes)
  • WookieeProject (optional): WP:VG

(3 Inqs/4 Users/7 Total)

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Support

  1. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 11:46, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote Good work! Ayrehead02 (talk) 08:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote —spookywillowwtalk 03:28, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Inqvote Lewisr (talk) 19:34, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
  5. Wok142 (talk) 03:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
  6. —Vuvalan ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 13:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
  7. Booply (talk) 18:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Object

AC
  • Congratulations on this ambitious nom!
  • You should provide context on Order 66 and should also state that the Clone Wars was between the Galactic Republic and Confederacy. AmazinglyCool Nightsisters symbol - JFO (talk) 12:14, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
    • For Order 66, you should state that it was an order in the behavioral modification chips in the brains of the Republic's clone troopers. Currently in the article, there is no connection to Order 66 and the clone troopers attacking him. AmazinglyCool Nightsisters symbol - JFO (talk) 20:42, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
      • Done.
        • I tweaked your context which you can see in the cop-edit below.
  • You’re also going to need context for Nightsisters and Nightbrothers.
  • If I’m not mistaken, you can’t source Dathomir being located in the Outer Rim to the game. AmazinglyCool Nightsisters symbol - JFO (talk) 12:17, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Can you state the model of his ship in the "Jedi General and Order 66" section?
    • It's not specified within the game or elsewhere.
  • You should read over your article for missing links.
    • Fixed?
      • I've only checked over a little bit that you can see in my copy-edit below, but there's still several.
  • The game's databank implies Malicos crashed during Order 66, so you can adjust your article as such. AmazinglyCool Nightsisters symbol - JFO (talk) 20:42, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Please check my copy edit to make sure its ok. AmazinglyCool Nightsisters symbol - JFO (talk) 15:17, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
    • Your copyedit is fine but I've made small adjustments.
  • Context for Tomb of Kujet.
    • Done.
  • Kestis doesn't enter the tomb until his second visit, and the article should thus be tweaked to represent this. His first visit is when the planet is first unlocked, and the second is when the player is forced to return. After you talk about the wanderer's conversation with Kestis, you should explain that Cal left the planet, and then detail that he entered the ruins of the Tomb of Kujet on his return. AmazinglyCool Nightsisters symbol - JFO (talk) 00:46, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
    • Is that better?
  • I don't think the image of Malicos' lightsabers are very fighting for the "Powers and abilities" section. Perhaps you could use this image instead, and maybe move the lightsabers if you have the space? AmazinglyCool Nightsisters symbol - JFO (talk) 02:41, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Fan
  • Early in the bio section, Gender is pipelinked through the pronoun 'he'. Recent consensus is that this should no longer be done.
  • Context for Darth Sidious.
  • "The Nightbrothers captured the stranded Malicos, who was brought to their village" If the Nightbrothers were the ones who brought him to their village, it can just say so instead of using the passive voice to say that he "was brought to" it. Fan26 (Talk) 01:51, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
  • A lot of the "Stranded on Dathomir" subsection is written more about Viscus than it is Malicos. Fan26 (Talk) 03:13, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
    • Better? —TomotronRevanchist SithStar Forge 04:16, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
      • Still seeing some of this. Fan26 (Talk)
        • Should be fixed now.
          • Having spoken with someone more familiar with Fallen Order than I, it seems there's still a lot that's more about Viscus' feelings on the situation than directly relevant to Malicos himself. Fan26 (Talk) 17:58, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
            • I've removed those lines focusing on Viscus, is that better?
  • "through his influence and power alone." this should be reworded to be more encyclopedic.
  • "The wanderer" subsection is too much a play-by-play of the convo between him and Cal in short sentences. I think you can merge some of these sentences to make it flow better. Fan26 (Talk) 22:54, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
    • Both above done. —TomotronRevanchist SithStar Forge 02:32, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
      • The issue raised in the latter objection still needs to be worked on. Fan26 (Talk) 17:58, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
        • Better? —TomotronSith Quad-SunSith Council 00:28, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
          • Not really, now it's just very confusing. For example, "Malicos, pretending, stated that he liked to travel, studying extinct cultures and dead philosophies," What is he pretending, exactly? There's still some cleanup to be done here. Fan26 (Talk) 18:40, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
            • Reworded, I think I was extrapolating there anyway. —TomotronSith Quad-SunSith Council 04:13, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
  • The image of Merrin defeating him should be enlarged just a bit Fan26 (Talk) 20:48, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
  • From the intro: "Malicos eventually ran into the surviving..." This should be reworded to be more formal, something like "encountered Cal" or similar.
  • "After killing Viscus, Malicos usurped control over the Nightbrothers—who laid down their weapons and submitted to him in the Halls of the Nydak—and became the new leader of the clan." This can be split up into two sentences. Fan26 (Talk) 18:25, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Ratts
  • The Gamemechanics template shouldn't be necessary for the pre-Cal sections. Those events canonically happened whether or not he finds out about them. Similarly, the template should cover the second paragraph of "The wanderer meets Cal Kestis" since that dialogue is optional.
    • Changed
  • "Kestis left the planet to continue his journey." Been a while since I've played Fallen Order, but is there any indication in the game that this must happen? Feasible that a player ignores the planet completely until required to go there.
    • Added "eventually"
      • I should clarify, I don't think you should say Cal left the planet at all, aside from the trip to Ilum, unless the Databank in the game mentions him leaving. RattsT (talk) 16:48, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
        • The in-game databank splits Dathomir into two different visits. The first is when you first unlock on Bogano until the Wanderer, and the second is when the game forces you to return. AmazinglyCool Nightsisters symbol - JFO (talk) 17:15, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
          • Thanks for checking that! Since that's the case consider this objection void, Cal canonically travels to Dathomir between Zeffo and Kashyyyk. RattsT (talk) 21:00, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Powers and abilities section could mention that he was able to simultaneously control one saber telekinetically while wielding the other in close combat, as he sometimes does during his boss fight.
    • Inserted
  • Should mention in the BTS the role Malicos plays in the Battle Grid submode.RattsT (talk) 04:48, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
Marvac
  • Please state that Cal Kestis is a fugitive, not just a former padawan.
  • Is it possible if you could shorten this sentence in the Powers and Abilities section, "Malicos could lift multiple boulders simultaneously and fling them at opponents, which he did to Kestis during their duel, and occasionally threw his lightsabers with incredible accuracy."
  • Please make it clear in your bts that the "Battle Grid" sandbox mode was released after the game and also state when it was released.
  • Please rewrite this sentence in your bts as it doesn't seem to make sense, "The developer, "CG_Coffee," had a difficult time defeating Malicos in Fallen Order who then insisted that he would be "really good" for the game." Marvacian Archivist (talk) 16:04, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
    • All done. —TomotronSith Quad-SunSith Council 01:17, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
      • Hi. I am not seeing the last objection really being addressed. What I recommend is break it into two sentences and show how they are related to one another. Maybe say something like, "The developer named "CG_Coffee" had a difficult time defeating Malicos in Fallen Order. Because of this, he insisted he would be "really good" for the game as..." I think providing an explanation why the developer insisted that Malicos should be added helps provide much needed context to tie the subsection "Liam McIntyre interview and Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes" and I think is necessary overall for the article. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 21:29, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Context for the Halls of the Nydak please. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 08:13, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Please add a disambiguation template as there appear to be multiple articles that share the word "Taron" such as Taron, Taron Malicos's lightsabers, Tarong, Taronda system, Taronda, Taronda mining settlement and Battle of Taronda.
  • There appears to be a referencing error in the first paragraph of the "Duel with Kestis and entombement" subsection. The "In actuality..." sentence isn't referenced in Fallen Order so please provide an alternate reference. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 08:13, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
    • Above done.
      • Oh sorry I should have been clear regarding the last objection, I meant that the entire sentence "In actuality, the mass slaughter was orchestrated by the Separatist Confederacy and its leader—the Sith Lord Count Dooku—who ordered the Kaleesh cyborg General Grievous to annihilate the Nightsisters." is not referenced in Fallen Order so you are going to need a separate reference.Marvacian Archivist (talk) 10:18, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
  • In the same subsection mentioned above, I think its important that you add a {Gamemechanics} template before the "During the duel, Malicos lifted Kestis and slammed him onto the ground" and describe in the alternate scenes section the various moves Malicos used to try and kill Kestis. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 08:13, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
    • I don't think this is necessary since the duel is linear; if it had alternate outcomes then sure.
  • This one is an optional objection. Depends on whether you want to add it or not but you could act the fact that Malicos closely resembles Jorus C'baoth in the Star Wars Legends continuity. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 08:13, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
    • If there was a notable connection between C'baoth and Malicos, I would, but sadly there isn't. —TomotronSith Quad-SunSith Council 09:50, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Please check this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5ildUmMak0 and see whether there is any info about Malicos you did not mention. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 10:51, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Lew
  • 'Malicos was incredibly powerful with the Force, and highly competent in the use of telekinesis' Are the 'incredibly' and 'highly competent' citable to a source? Because otherwise they border on not being a NPOV Lewisr (talk) 02:39, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
    • Removed "incredibly" and "highly", although, he was competent in telekinesis from a visual POV. —TomotronSith Quad-SunSith Council 06:21, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
      • That I agree with, just the "highly" and "incredibly" are a bit subjective unless stated within a source Lewisr (talk) 15:26, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Have you checked trailers/YouTube videos from EA/StarWars either pre or post release incase Malicos is in any of them? Lewisr (talk) 15:30, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
  • It's noted in a conversation between Cere and Greez that she was familiar with his name and that Malicos 'had a knack for strategy.' I also think it's worth checking out the part where she talks about getting accustomed to fame and glory, as it could be relevant to Malicos. Convo linked here Lewisr (talk) 17:15, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Viscus' pronouns aren't citable to the game Lewisr (talk) 05:05, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
Ayrehead
  • I wouldn't repeat the line about the darkness in the quotes between the first and second bio sections. The second quote works fine as just the last two lines. Ayrehead02 (talk) 08:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
  • Is it explicitly stated that Malicos throws his sabers with "incredible accuracy" in Fallen Order. If it is then we should state who considered it incredibly and if not then we should avoid using such subjective language. Ayrehead02 (talk) 08:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
  • When mentioning a piece of media like The Art of Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order in the BTS you need to include its release year and some context such as saying it was a reference book. Ayrehead02 (talk) 08:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
    • The full release dates for the game and book will need an additional reference for the full release date, since they only provide the year. Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
  • The interview section of the BTS would benefit from an image of McIntyre and the Galaxy of Heroes section seems to have room for an image of him from that game. Ayrehead02 (talk) 08:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
    • All addressed and thanks for your copy-edit. I removed the "incredible" part since that couldn't be verified. —TomotronSith Quad-SunSith Council 11:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
spookly
  • PT: "He was a formidable Jedi General as well as a trained motivator and cunning tactician. Noted for his competency and courage at leading clone troopers into battle, the Jedi Order counted Malicos as one of their most trusted battlefield commanders."—should be moved to the skills—or in this case as it's titled, powers and abilities—section.
    • I would rather not do this because that prose leads into the next sentences on how Cere and Greez viewed Malicos. —TomotronSith Quad-SunSith Council 07:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
      • If that's the case, it should be reworded in such a way that it constitutes as 'personality' information, as indicating a character is formidable at a [role] that requires skill and capable of completing other role(s) [motivator and tactician], and then mentioning his competency at being a battlefield commander, is by definition skills he is capable of, and not personality or physical traits information. If kept resembling its current form, it doesn't belong there.—spookywillowwtalk 02:27, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
        • I moved that prose to P&A, which included Cere and Greez' thoughts. —TomotronSith Quad-SunSith Council 10:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Bio: I'm noticing a lot of play-by-play in that it recounts a lot of dialogue verbatim and documents each thing said, ie "person said this, they replied that, they then said this..." instead of focusing on the actions and generalizations of what's being expressed. Often, what cleaning this out looks like isn't much, but resembles this in objections such as this. I've cleaned up some of this in this article with a copy-edit, but would like to see this further tweaked around with in: the third paragraph of "Nightbrothers leader," the second paragraph of "The "Wanderer" meets Cal Kestis," and majority of "Truth revealed and skirmish with Merrin" sections.
  • Review note: copy-edit (which does somewhat key into what I mean by play-by-play tweaks).—spookywillowwtalk 19:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Review note: BTS copy-edit; ended up making a run-through just because it'd be much quicker for me to fix than extolling on it. Some primary points to note is that, unless something is by SW.com/SW YouTube or in an official source such as Insider, a ref book, Celebration, or any number of or such licensed things—firm precedent for not having much (if any) information on who they're speaking with unless there's a strong reason other than maybe the name—hence the Dextero trims, though its still mentioned by name briefly. Also noting that quoting exact phrases is generally supposed to be used sparingly (prosification preferred); with a heavy focus on whatever the actor's replies are, and less to the play-by-play of the questions. Lastly, due to both an April and July date being introduced for 2023, that kit reveal did need the full release date.—spookywillowwtalk 03:28, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Wok
  • Here's my copyedit for the intro. I would also suggest re-wording "Malicos probed him about what he was doing inside the tomb" to say something a bit more formal like "Malicos probed him about what his intentions were in visiting the tomb"
  • In the Biography section Nightbrothers Leader, you would need to add an apostrophe to say Nightbrothers' Leader. That being said, I think Leader of the Nightbrothers would make a better title here.
  • Also in the Nightbrothers Leader section, I would re-word "but she thought it was cursed" to say something like "but she believed it to be cursed"
  • In the sentence right after the one above, you write "Malicos told her not to be scared since they had a deal" but I don't see any mention of a deal previously. I think describing the deal they made prior to this would be important.
  • In the second to last sentence in this section, think it would be good to once again note that Malicos was lying to Merrin about the massacre
  • In the last sentence, what are these rantings that Merrin was subjected to? I would explain that a bit more. Wok142 (talk) 21:32, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
    • All done; added the apostrophe to "Nightbrothers Leader" and rewrote the deal part. I think Malicos lying about the massacre should only be mentioned until Merrin learnt the truth from Kestis. Sadly, Battle Scars doesn't give context to the rantings. —TomotronSith Quad-SunSith Council 02:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
      • Too bad about the rantings. I won't fight you on the mentioning of the lying, but I will raise one more point for including it. If it was Merrin's page I would agree about not mentioning the lying until later since it should be from her sort of perspective, but for Malicos, I think the readers should have that described from his pov, which is him choosing to intentionally be deceitful. If you don't agree and want to leave it the way it is, totally fine. Wok142 (talk) 05:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
        • Does that work? —TomotronSith Quad-SunSith Council 05:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
          • Eh I don't think that reads as very encyclopedic so maybe just remove it and leave it as it was before. Wok142 (talk) 23:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
  • In Truth revealed, "almost tried to control him" would be better worded as either simply "tried to control him" or "almost succeeded in controlling him" - from what I'm gathering, it didn't almost try, it tried and almost succeeded.
  • Same section, the part reading "these were dire times, devouring them if they did not stand together." I think this could be more smoothly done. Maybe you could say "these were dire times, which would devour them"?
  • The "such places" is a bit unclear as to what the "such" is referring to. I'm guessing it's referring to "terrible" but I think it could be re-worded to be more clear.
  • "Malicos replied that she was told to deal with it" reads a bit funny to me. Does "Malicos replied by telling her to deal with it" work?
  • In the Truth revealed section, you use "stated" three separate times. I would try changing at least one instance of that word. Two occurrences seems fine but three feels like a lot.
  • Last paragraph in that section, "Merrin stated that Malicos that the planet had made him mad" should be corrected to something like "Merrin stated that the planet had made Malicos go mad" instead. Also, that sentence is kind of a run-on with the three things Merrin is saying. Not sure how to best break that up but currently it's a bit long-winded.
  • I feel as though "Kestis left the planet again" is a bit abrupt. Something slightly more contextual like "Later, Kestis once again left the planet" reads better in my opinion.
  • The sentence "The Padawan continued the duel against the fallen Jedi, with Merrin appearing several times throwing magick energy at Malicos to assist Kestis" is kind of up and down. What if you smoothed it out and shortened it to just be: "The duel continued, with Merrin appearing several times to assist Kestis, throwing magick energy at Malicos"
  • In P&T, I feel like "while Kestis wanted to know who he was" is redundant there. What do you think? Wok142 (talk) 05:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
    • All done; for P&T, I think that's necessary context. I tried "these were dire times, which would devour them" and "Malicos replied by telling her to deal with it", but I decided to change both back for context reasons. —TomotronSith Quad-SunSith Council 08:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
      • Maybe I'm just not sure what you're trying to say with the sentence "Malicos replied that she was told to deal with it" but to me that currently doesn't make sense. Is it that he is saying to Merrin "deal with it"? In that case having both "replied" and "she was told" feels redundant. Or maybe "Replied that she was told" is him referencing a separate time that he told her something? Also, I think that "deal with it" could probably be put in quotes if it is in fact something Malicos specifically said, since it's not a very scholarly phrase. Wok142 (talk) 23:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
      • For the devouring bit, the way the sentence is currently formatted, "devouring" is not actually referring to a grammatical subject, which is why I suggested a rewrite. Is there a different way you could format that sentence so that devouring is referring to the dire times? Wok142 (talk) 23:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
      • In P&T, could you rearrange the sentence to say "When Kestis tried to learn who he was, Malicos portrayed himself as a "wanderer" who studied ancient cultures and philosophies"? The way it is currently constructed is kind of disjointed. Wok142 (talk) 23:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
        • For "Malicos replied that she was told to deal with it", I added "previously" since they had argued off-screen about Kestis before. I returned to your solution for the devouring bit, but kept "if they did not stand together"; adopted your P&T rewording. —TomotronSith Quad-SunSith Council 01:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
          • Cool, thanks for keeping up with all my objections. Great work! Wok142 (talk) 03:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Vuvalan
  • "Kestis realized that Malicos was the leader of the Nightbrothers, and the fallen Jedi laughed as he confirmed it to be true, explaining that he had become their leader because of his strength in the Force. Kestis disagreed, but Malicos asserted that these were dire times, devouring them if they did not stand together." I feel like it should be stated that Kestis disagreed with Malicos' unorthodox usage of the Force to gain power and that it went against the Jedi, right now it is ambiguous regarding what he disagreed with.—Vuvalan ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 16:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
    • I don't think that's necessary, please see Spooky's play-by-play/passive voice objection and this resulting copy-edit. —TomotronSith Quad-SunSith Council 17:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
      • While I do agree with the play-by-play objection, the statement about Kestis seems out-of-context and doesn't hold much significance because there are too many variables for Kestis to disagree with from the previous sentence. I know he disagrees with Malicos' Force use, but the reader has no context for that and might think Kestis disagrees with something else (like Malicos' strength in the Force). It might be just me, but it doesn't flow right in my opinion. Of course, reverting previous changes made to the article under the advisement of a Wookieepedia Inquisitor would be impetuous, so if you feel it fits right, then I would stand corrected. It's up to you.—Vuvalan ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 19:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
        • Chiming in, it'd suit fine to slightly alter it to "Kestis disagreed with his actions, but…"—but do disagree with the rest of the proposed additions, as we do try to stay away from dialogue repetition when concerning statements in a row.—spookywillowwtalk 19:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Comments

  • A massive thank you to everyone that has provided input into my first FAN! This has been over four and a half years in the making. —TomotronSith Quad-SunSith Council 04:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 18:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


Vote to strike objection (Inq only)
  1. Inqvote For Fan's.—spookywillowwtalk 02:27, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 02:33, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote LucaRoR Sigil of House Serenno (Talk) 14:25, 26 June 2023 (UTC)