Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Tao

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Tao

  • Nominated by: --Eyrezer 23:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: Current GA

(5 Inqs/4 Users/9 Total)

Support

  1. Inqvote Your linking was seriously lacking though. Make sure you've got that fixed before you nominate an article, please. Chack Jadson (Talk) 13:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote CC7567 (talk) 04:12, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote Green Tentacle (Talk) 18:51, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
  4. Kreivi Wolter 06:29, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
  5. The Flash {talk} 17:48, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
  6. Inqvote -- Darth Culator (Talk) 01:13, September 21, 2009 (UTC)
  7. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 05:39, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  8. Jedi Kasra (comlink) 16:45, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
  9. Inqvote — Fiolli {Alpheridies University ComNet} 21:58, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Object

  1. What is the source for the 1 ABY date? AFAIK, the comic itself doesn't state that Tao died exactly one year after Yavin, it could as well be 0 ABY. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 13:08, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Having dealt with this story when writing the Executor article, the comic itself does not provide a hard date, so specifying 1 ABY explicitly is probably unfounded, but a general date can be had when taking into consideration that the Executor is apparently first arriving over Coruscant some time not long after completion, which would give us a date of somewhere circa 0.5 ABY - 1 ABY. Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:23, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
      • I see your point, though I would prefer to see "circa" and a note explaining such choice of date in the article itself. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 09:06, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
  2. The article is fairly good shape, but I've spotted a few issues. First, I agree with QuiGonJinn; it'd be best to use "circa" or "c." beforehand, but cite a source. Second, the intro needs to be expanded. There appears to be enough info to sustain at least two paragraphs. Fix those and I believe the article is sound enough to be passed. The Flash {talk} 21:21, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
    • He died shortly after the Executor was finished. When was that?--Kreivi Wolter 05:56, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
      • Around 3 BBY. The Flash {talk} 17:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
        • I've added a footnote as to the date of his death and placed it between 1 and 3 ABY. I'd say it was intended to be just before the Battle of Hoth as it depicts what is likely intended to be the probe launch scene from ESB, and the death is followed by the Battle of Hoth. However, I've tried to explain the ambiguity. --Eyrezer 08:10, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
          • Great, but the lead still seems a bit inefficient to me. The Flash {talk} 23:55, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
            • Lead expanded somewhat. Although the article is quite long there are not many hard events to include in the intro. How is it now? --Eyrezer 04:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
              • Perfect - I've supported it now. The Flash {talk} 17:48, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
  3. Can you try and recheck the P&T and P&A? I'm noticing a lot of redundancy between them and the bio, and I'm not sure if all of the detail is necessary. CC7567 (talk) 23:04, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
    • I've pared down the P&A to just the abilities he displayed. How is it now? --Eyrezer 04:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
  4. No creative reviewing title yet
    • If he was Vader's apprentice, shouldn't the Order of the Sith Lords be listed in the infobox then?
      • As I understand it, the Order is a technical title. Vader - and indeed the Emperor - have had numerous apprentices or people that they trained, without them being part of the Order of the Sith Lords. --Eyrezer 08:19, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
    • Context on Vader upon first mention in the "Battle of Shumari" section.
      • Done
    • First paragraph of the "Vader's apprentice" section: Upon ending this meeting, Vader returned to his meditation chamber feeling angry and frustrated... ; Angry at what had transpired in the Yavin system, Vader demanded that Tao come at him with all his anger... ; ...lacking both the hatred and anger required to be a Sith... ; Attempting to fuel Tao's anger.... That's just too angry, please vary words a bit.
      • Lol - there is a lot of anger in the comic, but modified.
    • Brief context on the Executor
      • Done
    • Though Vader did not wish to do so, he was unable to do otherwise in the presence of Palpatine. Was this the case? When reading the comic, I was left under the impression that Palpatine controlled Vader's actions in some capacity. Please check.
    • P&A: wishing to avenge his fallen teacher, Tao wished... Repetitive.
      • Removed in the P&A rewrite. --Eyrezer 04:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
    • Since Vader's Legacy has not been published in three years and appears to be effectively cancelled, the Bts should reflect this.
      • Done.
    • QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 07:57, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
  5. Fiolli:
    • I would like to see something in the Bts that states something that addressed the fact that even though the homeworld was canonized with the Atlas, Tao was not officially canonized. Surely there are sources for that. — Fiolli {Alpheridies University ComNet} 20:47, September 21, 2009 (UTC)
  6. Pasta! Pasta! Pasta!
    • The citation for the date contains only how it relates to 1 ABY. Please include a corresponding for 3 ABY.
    • "Nonetheless, both Tao and his Master were left to stand against Vader's onslaught." This seems out of place. It is set up as if everyone else was exterminated. Please smooth this over.
      • Done
    • "…completely annihilated the planetary surface, essentially turning it into an uninhabitable wasteland." Essentially? Either it was or was not.
      • Done
    • "Upon ending this meeting…" Vader actually ended it? Seems odd, so I'm checking.
      • Reworded
    • "Tao, however, was unable to do so, thus stopping the fight and earning his Master's disapproval at lacking sufficient hatred to be a Sith." This reads awkwardly.
      • Reworded
    • "Palpatine, displeased that Vader had betrayed him by hiding his young apprentice…" When did Palpatine find out? Also, is he actually known as "Emperor Palpatine" in the comic? If not, this needs to have a qualification source earlier in the article as it is a specific detail of name.
      • There is no information on when the Emperor found out about Tao between the previous scene where he is dismissed and this one. The title Emperor" is used in the comic, so if I read this objection correctly, it should be fine as it is.
        • For the record, the dropping in of Palpatine at this point is very awkward both chronologically and prose-wise without a qualifier. That said, I do not wish to see any sort of speculation or OR. — Fiolli {Alpheridies University ComNet} 00:10, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
    • "Due to events outside of his control, however, his young mind was prone to corruption by violent warfare." After reading the article, this sounds like significant speculation.
      • Removed
    • "Tao, however, did not hold any anger towards Vader and was able to let go of the hard feelings that he had held over the colored events of his past." This is opposite what is stated earlier in the article as it says Tao was angered that Vader had released him. Only on Shumari does Tao show a lack of anger. Please rectify this.
      • Reworded
    • I'm also going to take Kreivi's comment from below. Are there no quotes for the P-and-t and P-and-a sections?
      • PT quote added. None really appropriate to PT as anger is covered in the previous section.
    • That's it for now. I am sorry to say this, but the article was quite messy and still could use possibly another copyedit. Comma usage was highly questionable. — Fiolli {Alpheridies University ComNet} 23:22, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
      • They should all be fixed now. --Eyrezer 00:42, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
  7. Just a few
    • Can you link the Vengeful Tusken Raider to the intro?
      • Kasra, this is simple enough for you to fix yourself under the {{Sofixit}} clause. Objections like this just hold up nominations. CC7567 (talk) 04:06, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
    • …Darth Vader, a member of the Order of the Sith Lords and a former Jedi Master… Vader was not a former Jedi Master, he was a former Jedi Knight.
    • Can you link Lightsaber combat somewhere in the P&A?
    • Good work, hopefully LFL will officially canonize Tao in the future.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 22:55, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
    • I apologize the objections where I could have fixed them myself.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 16:55, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
  8. Continuity
    • Every other articles of the manga are now considered as non-canon in Wookiepedia. If it really is so, then should this article be non-canon as well?--Kreivi Wolter 16:22, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
      • Tag changed. --Eyrezer 00:42, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 22:02, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

  • I don't take credit for writing this article, but as a 1500 GA, I'm nominating it and will see it through the FAN process. --Eyrezer 23:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Some quotes for the P&T and P&A-sections?--Kreivi Wolter 12:46, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
    • The article is now fully protected due to edit warring over the canon status of the subject - can we get a resolution on it and amend the article if needed? - Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 22:56, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
      • The discussion over at Forum:SH:Tokyopop star wars manga has provided proof that Tao is non-canonical. I have changed the article to reflect this, but some further tweaks may be needed. - Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 14:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)