Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Skor II

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Skor II

Nomination by: ~ SavageBob 04:47, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Nomination comments: I've been working to expand and update the Squib article to get its FA status restored, but I thought I'd do a little work on their homeworld while I was at it.

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Support

--Cavalier One^{(Squadron channel)} 12:50, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Chack Jadson^(Talk) 22:11, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Green Tentacle ^(Talk) 20:46, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Graestan^(Talk) 19:20, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
--Eyrezer 20:38, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Oppose

Cav's squadron reclamation:
- In the infobox, you give Skor II's location in the Calaron sector as a definite location, but in the body of the article, you say it may lie in the sector. While I understand that Rebellion's information is occasionally fuzzy on planet location, the article must be consistent with itself. So either it is the Calaron sector, and the main article reference changed to reflect this; or if it is only the possibility, then the infobox reference should reflect this; or remove all references to its sector location from the main body of the article, and keep it all in the BTS. - Cavalier One^{(Squadron channel)} 12:39, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
  - Hmm. Thanks for the reasoned objection. I was following the lead of Gandolo IV, another featured article on a planet, that does the same thing with the planet's distance from Coruscant. Perhaps that article needs updating. I'll think over the choices and change the Skor II article to comply with one of your suggestions soon. Thanks again, ~ SavageBob 22:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
  - OK, I think it's probably best to reserve ambiguously canonical information such as this to the Behind the Scenes section, so I've removed the mentions of the Calaron sector from the infobox and the main part of the article. Would you mind taking another look? ~ SavageBob 12:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
  - Actually, on second thought, most articles with ties to Rebellion seem to take the attitude of "treat it as canon unless a later source says otherwise." Considering the nebulous location of the Calaron sector, I guess it's best to keep this info in for now. ~ SavageBob 12:00, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
    - That would have been my choice, too, but with the additional contradictory information I thought it best to leave it up to you since you had done the legwork on the research. - Cavalier One^{(Squadron channel)} 12:50, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
      - Unless it has been placed into a different sector, the REB placement stands. Leland Chee's ruling on REB placements can be found here. You can use that to reference your decision in the BTS. I dealt with a similar situation in Atrivis sector, if you want to check that BTS. --Eyrezer 21:29, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
        Ah, thanks for the link. I've added a note about this to the article. ~ SavageBob 07:44, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
~~I think your reference note #23 should be cut, along with the "presumably the planetary capital." Requiring the presumably strikes me as a bit OR. --Eyrezer 10:25, 2 February 2009 (UTC)~~
- Do you mean that it should be assumed that Metrobig City is the capital or that we shouldn't assume such? ~ SavageBob 11:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
  - I think we should not make that assumption. --Eyrezer 12:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
    - You've probably right. I've removed that bit. ~ SavageBob 21:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Hey, haven't read the whole thing, but just wanted to get this bit out of the way:
- ~~How could they support both the Empire and the Rebellion? Some clarification on this in the intro would be great. More to come, perhaps.~~ Chack Jadson^(Talk) 20:02, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
  - Unfortunately, no source has yet answered that question, so it's unclear if the Squibs abandoned the Imperials to bet on the upstarts, or if Ebareebaveebeedee was just playing both sides. My guess is the latter, but that's just speculation. I've tried to clarify the sequence of events in the intro, though. Please take another look. ~ SavageBob 22:08, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
    - That helps tremendously. Chack Jadson^(Talk) 22:11, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Eyrezer
- In the 1st para, you mention it is far from the Core. This seems a bit redundant to me, considering it is also stated to be in the ORT. What about rewriting that sentence to something like "Skor II was a terrestrial planet located in the Calaron sector of the Outer Rim Territories. It orbited a small, red star called Squab as part of the Squab system, located on the Rimma Trade Route."?
  - I'm not sure about the "far from the Core" thing. Aren't there remote Outer Rim planets and not-so-remote Outer Rim planets? Or is that just pulling hairs? I could go either way on this, but I wanted to ask you to clarify first. ~ SavageBob 22:10, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
    - I guess that's a far enough call.
- The way you have described the distribution of the resources seems a bit odd, as though this distribution was unusual; however, the ore in mountains, salt by the ocean, etc, seems to correspond to the way it is on earth. Could you reword this a little? I hope my objection is clear.
  - The resources thing isn't intended to make it sound unusual, I guess (although in a galaxy of planets of entirely one climate, I guess it is unusual), but rather to describe the way things were on the planet. Can you elaborate on why you think it needs rewording? ~ SavageBob 22:10, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
    - It may have been the helter-skelter I didn't like. I've reworded a little, to a form I prefer :p
- ~~How distinct was the CIS invasion from the Republic capture of the planet? I'm wondering if there should be a separate article on the CIS invasion. --Eyrezer 11:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC)~~
  - I'm always fuzzy on when "event" articles are warranted. Certainly, the Battle of Skor II deserves its article, but the invasion, I'm not so sure. Can you point me to other invasion articles? I could then maybe get a better gauge on it. ~ SavageBob 22:10, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
    - Basically, if it is a separate event at all, it should have its own article, even if this has a very minor amount of information. I'll look for an example when I have a bit more time.
      - I've added a redlink, which I think leaves you with 3 - although the invasion is in the intro so will need to be stubbed at the least.
        Invasion of Tynna is one example, but it was written by me, so not exactly independent corroboration :p
        
        I'm still not sure about this. The only article on an invasion I can find that we have is the Invasion of Naboo, and that page seems to merge the invasion and the subsequent battle into one article. Are you sure the invasion merits its own article? ~ SavageBob 05:25, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
        I haven't been able to check the original sources, but I am happy to let you take the lead on this one. I made a couple of minor edits that I think tie the invasion and counter-attack closer together. Check and see if they are ok. I don't know if you are going to add anything to the Battle of Skor II article, but I think it likewise could have more info on the invasion part itself, but that is for another nom :p --Eyrezer 21:37, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- Our article on Star Wars Rebellion actually has Skor, and the other planets you mention, under the Kessel sector. Do you have access to the game? If so, do you know which is correct? --Eyrezer 20:39, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
  - I'll get to your other points soon, but just a note on the "Kessel sector": This is someone's OR, in my opinion. The game Rebellion includes no such sector, but, because it places Kessel in the Calaron sector and some other source calls Kessel's home sector the "Kessel sector" (I'm not sure what source, but I think it's a novel), someone has jumped to the conclusion that Calaron and Kessel are one and the same. I rewrote the article on Calaron sector, and you'll see that the situation is not so cut and dried. Our article on Rebelliion ought to list the sector names as they are in the game despite any later contradictions, in my opinion. ~ SavageBob 21:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
    - Yeah, if SW:R calls it Calaron, our article should reflect that. This will mostly be sorted out by the Atlas anyway, with, I suspect, Skor II placed quite apart from the Calaron sector.
- This one is more of a suggestion, but you could add a little mention of their colonization attempt (even though it may be more appropriate to the Squib article itself). Something like "The Squibs negotiated for the technical specifications of hyperspace technology, and the Dorcin gained mineral rights to an arctic region of the planet. The Squibs took to the stars, including at least one failed attempt at colonization,[XX] and their world became progressively linked to the outside galaxy.[3]" --Eyrezer 22:35, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
  - Are you referring to the colonization attempt that ended up crashing on Holador? ~ SavageBob 05:25, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
    - Yep. I'd still like to see this added. --Eyrezer 21:37, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
      - Added. It wasn't a colonization attempt (at least it's not explicitly named as one, but Squibs did crash land on the Holador and start up a new society. ~ SavageBob 11:55, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Comments

I just wanted to chime in on the Rebellion issue, since Gandolo IV was referenced here, which I wrote. Indeed, per comments by Chee, Rebellion info should be considered legitimate until otherwise overridden by another source, so listing the Calaron sector is appropriate. Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:07, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 20:39, 5 April 2009 (UTC)