Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Purrgil

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Purrgil

(0 Inqs/2 Users/2 Total)

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Support

  1. Looks good to me! Very well written and thorough with information. EthSch13 (talk) 17:39, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
  2. Support LucaRoR (talk) 10:54, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Object

UberSoldat
  • My objections from the previous nomination are unaddressed, namely expanding the intro and investigating Poe Dameron: Free Fall and The Art of Star Wars Rebels.
  • Introduce some sectioning. You can at least split Rebels and pre-Rebels info.
  • "At some point, an artist encountered a group of purrgil. He later drew one of them in his journal and commented that he was surprised by their sudden appearance around his ship." This is sourced entirely to a date note. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 07:21, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
    • I've already expanded the intro, I get that you want me to expand it more, but currently I don't really know in which direction, so clarification on that point would be great. Free Fall and Art of Rebels have already been addressed as well.
      • You can briefly talk about physical features and behavior in the first paragraph, and talk about notable events in the second. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 09:21, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
        • Okay, I'll see what's the most relevant and not in the introduction yet. CanePlayz (talk) 10:02, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
          • Split and expanded the intro. I think it should be good now. CanePlayz (talk) 16:04, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
    • Regarding the intro? Then I would also know what to expand upon (Rebels stuff since that is not enough yet to have its own section).
      • No, the History section. Introductions are meant to briefly summarize the contents of the article to the reader. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 09:21, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
        • Oh okay, so the stuff we talked about earlier. At first I thought you meant splitting the intro into two paragraphs but now I get it. CanePlayz (talk) 10:02, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
          • The intro can use that split after you've sufficiently expanded it with the requested details. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 10:05, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
            • Sure, I was planning on that. CanePlayz (talk) 10:06, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
              • Should be done, that's the best way of sectioning that I was able to come up with. CanePlayz (talk) 13:28, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
    • Fixed. CanePlayz (talk) 09:16, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Per precedent on species Featured articles, the skins colors should be presented as a bulleted list.
  • "Some of them were as large as a small starship while the size of others reached up to massive." This isn't grammatically sound.
    • Changed, hope the new one is fine. CanePlayz (talk) 23:15, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Please connect Hera Syndulla with the Spectres in the intro.
    • Added a connection to Hera and Ezra regarding the Spectres. CanePlayz (talk) 23:15, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
  • "Purrgil ranged in size from as large as a small starship to massive..." This also isn't grammatically sound.
    • Changed, hope the new one is fine. CanePlayz (talk) 23:15, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
  • "Although few people actually witnessed their special ability to attain lightspeed, the purrgil became the stuff of legend for smugglers and pilots across the galaxy." Although this wording is used in the source, the tone is not "encyclopedic."
  • Context for Han Solo and Tivoche Bilure.
    • Added some context. Let me know if you want more. CanePlayz (talk) 23:15, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Tivoche Bilure's journal also needs an article. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 07:23, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Prelate Vergence
  • The sentence One of those leaders was referred to as the Purrgil King,[12] another one was called Purrgil Ultra is grammatically incorrect.
    • At first I didn't know what the issue was (probably because I'm not a native English speaker), but it was pointed out to me that the second part should not follow a comma as it's an independent sentence so I seperated them with a semicolon instead. CanePlayz (talk) 10:00, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
      • I'll try to be more clear in the future.
  • completely wiped out Thrawn's Seventh Fleet blockade of Lothal and damaged three Star Destroyers—The fleet wasn't completely wiped out if several ships were only damaged.VergenceScatter (talk) 05:36, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
    • They wiped out the blockade which consisted of most of the Seventh Fleet and damaged three star destroyers which were also part of the Fleet but were hovering above the city (they were not part of the blockade). But I see that my formulation there was unclear. I've rephrased bit now, let me know if you are fine with it, should at least help to make the distinction clearer! CanePlayz (talk) 10:00, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Macaroni
Tommy
  • Contractions should never be used in formal writing.
    • All of them should be gone by now. CanePlayz (talk) 19:12, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Please utilise the Oxford comma in your writing.
    • I wasn't really aware of how that is done in English, should be good now. CanePlayz (talk) 19:12, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Missing some context in quite a few places. Who are Mart, Wolffe, and Vizago? Who is Thrawn and what is the 7th fleet (some info on which is intro exclusive). What is Lothal? What is the Graf Archive? You get the idea. Please go through the article and give context to proper nouns if it's unclear what they are.
    • I've added some context, I hope I got everything. CanePlayz (talk) 19:12, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • I appreciate your use of "cold embrace," but I don't think it applies to Ezra, only Thrawn was trapped.
    • You're right, that slipped in somehow. CanePlayz (talk) 19:12, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Please link to Purrgil King. Tommy-Macaroni 13:45, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
    • I forgot to add that link back after I'd restructured something. It's back now. CanePlayz (talk) 19:12, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Amino
Fred strikes back
  • Does a source actually describe their head as flattened? If it's just based off visual depiction, I don't really understand what that means.
    • I haven't found a source using that term. And to be honest, I just left that term from before I started working on that article and never really put much though into it. But yeah, thinking about it now, something like bulbuos would be better in my opinion. If you don't like that term, I'm open for suggestions haha. CanePlayz (talk) 01:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
      • Bulbuos is much better, yeah. I'd go with that.
  • The term "space whales" in the intro seems very informal, unless the term is used in a source. If that's the case then it should be bolded and stated to be an alternate name. If not, we should use something else to refer to them. They aren't actually whales. MasterFredCommerce Guild(talk) 22:15, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
    • I'd like to talk to you on Discord regarding that again, I think that will be easier for communication on a more complex topic. CanePlayz (talk) 01:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Context on Cold War.
    • Added. CanePlayz (talk) 16:55, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
      • Probably too much context, tbh. You could just say, "the Cold War between the New Republic and First Order in 34 ABY" or something similar.
        • I see what you mean. However, I'd rather go with "the Cold War between the New Republic and First Order, that started in 29 ABY," since in my opinion your sentence could suggest that it only lasted one year. CanePlayz (talk) 00:48, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
  • "...a big lumbering menace." The intent was that they were widely considered such, and so putting this in quotes is deceiving, as it indicates this exact phrase is used by a large group of people. We can paraphrase the quote here and remove the quotations. MasterFredCommerce Guild(talk) 22:09, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
    • See Discord for another question on that. CanePlayz (talk) 16:55, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
  • That lumbering menace quote would fit well as the quote for the Biology section. MasterFredCommerce Guild(talk) 22:15, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Immi Thrax
  • Hello! Just started my review, but I'll come back with more thoughts and to eventually vote :) I found some underlinking—terms that could have been linked, but weren't—and turned some of them into links myself. There may be more underlinking to address, so please look out for that.
    • Thanks for adding them! I've also carefully looked through the article again but haven't found anything that was still missing. CanePlayz (talk) 18:35, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
  • A small detail clash between the infobox, introduction, and article body. The infobox says their skin (when healthy) is "Blue, gray, purple, yellow" while their eyes are "Blue, gray." The introduction says simply "bluish-purple" for skin color. The body says their skin is "bluish-purple color with gray and yellow portions" with "blue and gray eyes." Clarify and make consistent across these sections: are their eyes "blue and gray" or "blue or gray?" Do most have solid bluish-purple skin but they can be other solid colors, or is the bulk of every purrgil's body bluish-purple with markings in other colors?
    • Talking on Discord about that again. CanePlayz (talk) 18:35, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
  • The introduction doesn't make clear how Ezra allying with the purrgil removed the Imperial fleet. (Did he convince them to slap Thrawn with their fins? Nope, jump to lightspeed!) Immi Thrax RainbowRebellion2 (talk) 22:29, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
  • "Purrgil lived in groups called flocks,[10] pods,[11] or swarms that could count up to dozens of individuals.[5] Such groups were led by a bigger specimen.[3] One of those leaders was referred to as the Purrgil King;[12] another one was called Purrgil Ultra.[13]" — The galleries indicate specific individual purrgil in those episodes, but it's not specified in those sources whether all purrgil groups have a Purrgil King and/or Purrgil Ultra. As written, the sentence implies these are two types of leaders found within each purrgil group. If that is actually the case for each group, a different reference is needed that specifies that. Otherwise, I'd suggest removing the "One of those leaders" sentence and linking those words where they appear in the History section.
    • If I want to keep that sentence to give examples for some leaders, would "Such groups were led by a bigger specimen.[3] The leader of one of these groups was referred to as the Purrgil King;[12] the leader of another group was called Purrgil Ultra.[13]" be better for you? CanePlayz (talk) 20:44, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
      • Yes, that would work!
  • "According to Peko-Peko Munzati" — In this section, it isn't clear why this individual would be notable. Consider either relocating some of the context from the Age of the Empire section to introduce it earlier, or simply removing that Munzati said it to make it "the first hyperspace scouts used to follow purrgil."
    • Personally, I don't really see the issue here. I think what Peko-Peko Munzati said is definitely notable. However, since it's just something he claimed, I think it's inevitable to mention his name because I have to make clear who made that claim. CanePlayz (talk) 20:44, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
      • The problem is that it's just a random name at that point of the article, with no context for who Peko-Peko Munzati is. The article later explains that it's rumored Munzati studied them, but doesn't give that context when actually paraphrasing him. For instance: "According to Peko-Peko Munzati, who was rumored to have studied the species for months, the first hyperspace scouts used to follow purrgil."
        • Makes sense, changed. CanePlayz (talk) 01:00, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
  • "Many purrgil were thus killed, with spacers puncturing them" — Since purrgil were previously described as accidentally getting killed, clarify that this is intentionally killed.
    • Should be more clear now, let me know if that's enough for you. CanePlayz (talk) 20:44, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Right now, the detail about Tech's recordings doesn't fit with the paragraph about purrgil being treated as pests. I don't remember if he did anything with those recordings or he just mentioned he had them? But I suggest separating it from that particular paragraph and expanding on why it's noteworthy that this one guy had a recording of them. Right now, it seems like random trivia. Immi Thrax RainbowRebellion2 (talk) 16:23, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
    • I think it fits into that paragraph because that paragraph in general describes how purrgil were perceived by people. Also, in my opinion it fits with the time period. However, if you want to discuss about whether that info is notable or not, I'm down for that. CanePlayz (talk) 20:44, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
      • At the moment, the paragraph doesn't really read to me as being about how they're perceived. It builds from 1) purrgil being legendary among pilots and smugglers, to 2) purrgil becoming a menace for starships, to 3) purrgil being killed by spacers... then the paragraph veers off topic to include that a clone commando called Tech has recordings of them. Would Discord be easier to discuss this? Immi Thrax RainbowRebellion2 (talk) 21:44, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
        • I see what you mean now. However, I have no idea at all where to put that info instead and expanding that it's noteworthy that Tech had a recording of them appears difficult to me as well because I think nothing is backing that at all. However, I'm also not sure about just removing that info, because (as you can see just one objection below) some people like Ayre apparently want details like this to be included. So yeah, Discord might be better for this. CanePlayz (talk) 01:00, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
          • Yes, let's discuss in #article-nominations, see what ideas other people have for incorporating that and other details :) Do any of the sources have other Clone Wars-era information? Immi Thrax RainbowRebellion2 (talk) 10:09, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
    • Just a reminder that we've discussed this, but this has not been addressed yet in the article. Immi Thrax RainbowRebellion2 (talk) 23:10, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Ayrehead
  • You can expand in detail from quite a few of the sources listed: Jenza winning a stuffed purrgil in Dooku: Jedi Lost should be mentioned as should the art from "Trials of the Darksaber". Poe Dameron: Free Fall mentions that wounded purrgil rock to their side. This is all relevant information that should be covered for the article to be comprehensive, so if there's similar trivial details from other sources that you've left out then that should be added as well. Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:38, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
  • You refer to Purrgil as being whale-like initially, but then refer to them as whales multiple times throughout the text. Is this what the sources do as well? Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:38, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
    • I need to check different sources for that again. Right now, I only know for sure that Star Wars: Creatures Big & Small calls them whales. Does that mean that the term "whale-like" shouldn't be used anymore? CanePlayz (talk) 01:34, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
      • Yeah if they are whales then they shouldn't be refered to as whale-like. Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:48, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Hook-lash seems like it might need its own article. Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:38, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
  • The fact that Hera is leader of the Spectres is technically intro exclusive at the moment. Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:38, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
    • Done. CanePlayz (talk) 01:34, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
      • You've got this sourced to Life Debt, which I don't think mentions the Spectres. Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:48, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Context for the Ghost. Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:38, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Is it really a TIE/ln space superiority starfighter that the purrgil destroy and not a TIE/mg Mining Guild starfighter? Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:38, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
    • It's the one from the Mining Guild, but that's what the article says already if I didn't miss a mention of it. CanePlayz (talk) 01:34, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
      • Ah I see, didn't realise they were modified TIE/lns. Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:48, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Television episodes need their full release date given in the BTS. Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:38, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Comments

Vote to remove nomination (Inq only)

  1. Inqvote Immi's objection from the 16th and Ayre's objection from the 20th have not been fixed. In addition, nominator has not edited since the 26th. 1358 (Talk) 20:07, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 20:16, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote Tommy-Macaroni 20:23, 4 September 2021 (UTC)