Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Merillion Tarko

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Merillion Tarko

(4 Inqs/3 Users/7 Total)

Support

  1. Inqvote IFYLOFD (Floyd's crib) 00:12, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote Shibby. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:38, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 23:01, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
  4. —Jedi Kasra (comlink) 04:20, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Inqvote --Eyrezer 02:32, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Made a slight adjustment to the intro's wording. Looks good to me. Trak Nar Ramble on 07:14, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Menkooroo 05:12, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Object

IFYLOFD
  • The intro seems a bit too long. Please shave it down some.
    • Honestly, I think it's fine as is. All of the info there is already condensed, and the intro is proportional to the body.
  • No quote for the Rise to power section?
    • No appropriate quotes exist.
  • "As a last-ditch effort, Tarko released the massive Gorog to deal with both Jedi, but the plan backfired when the Gorog broke free and devoured the Baron." If the Gorog was already released, then what was it breaking free from? Clarify.
    • Clarified.
  • "His ascension through the ranks concluded when he was granted the title of Moff, on the urging of fellow Moff Wilhuff Tarkin." Any info on why Tarkin would urge the Empire to grant Tarko the title of Moff?
    • No info whatsoever.
  • "He oversaw the fall of a sinkhole-spanning bridge city on the planet;" The wording could definitely be clearer. What do you mean by "fall"? A military conquest, or did the city actually fall into the sinkhole? If it is a military conquest, there are no other mentions of any military operations on the planet.
    • "Fall" replaced with "Neimoidian surrender." No details on the event exist; I doubt it's even worthy of a stub.
  • You mention in the intro that Starkiller is a clone of Galen Marek, but not in the body. Either mention it in both or neither.
    • Mentioned in the body.
  • That's all. Good work. IFYLOFD (Floyd's crib) 22:55, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
The Dolphin
  • Actually, I suggest moving the quote that mentions the Clone Wars to the "rise to power" section and perhaps shuffling the quotes around. Try using this quote somewhere:
"You're running out of executioners, Baron!"
―Rahm Kota[src]

--ID-21 Dolphin DolphinJedi(Talk) 21:25, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

  • The quote you suggested that I move has nothing to do with his rise to power, and would therefore be inappropriate for that section. Furthermore, I prefer the current quote over the one you suggested; it reveals a great deal about Tarko's personality and views, whereas Kota's quote does not. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 01:06, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
    • I think I was unclear. I meant the quote about the Clone Wars and the Neimoidians should be moved to the "rise to power" section since that section is about the Clone Wars. Perhaps then the executioners quote could be moved to the "potentate of Cato Nemoidia" section, or something like that, though ultimately, you decide.ID-21 Dolphin DolphinJedi(Talk) 21:17, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
      • No, I understood exactly what you meant. My response is the same. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 21:19, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
        • Maybe, we can use another quote from the game in the second section, just so that all the sections have quotes and that it's more uniform. In the novel, there's also a quote by Yat-De Viedas that mentions how Tarko was killed in a lcoal insurgency; that can be used somewhere. But if you don't want to, that's fine.--ID-21 Dolphin DolphinJedi(Talk) 22:24, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
          • I prefer the quotes as they currently are. Besides, there's no rule that says I need to have a quote for every section. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 21:25, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
The Forced Release
  • There is some BTS info in the Starkiller Mimbot that was made available with the collector's edition of the TFUII. I can provide details, preferably in IRC. SinisterSamurai 23:09, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
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  • Can you try to find another image of the Baron to use instead of the picture of the bridge? If images of a character are available, I feel like they're always preferable to images of anything else for use in that character's article. This one seems fine to me, but if not, can you see about asking someone to grab an HQ one from the game? Menkooroo 04:57, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
    • For the record, I have not forgotten about this one; I am in the process of finding a decent image.
      • Hey Tranner, I've uploaded a second screenshot of Tarko which could also be of use. Granted, it might not be of perfect quality, but this image and the one of him shooting are far more relevant than the generic image of the city. I actaully tested the article with the two images right here, at the bottom of my own userpage as a sort of sandbox. The somewhat poor quality of the images isn't really apparent when the images are this size. If the article looks like this, I will be more than eager to place my support for it.--ID-21 Dolphin DolphinJedi(Talk) 01:23, December 6, 2010 (UTC)
      • This objection has put me in a difficult position. I have one or two images in mind, but thus far, I have been unable to obtain them, and I really hate to see the nomination process drawn out much longer than it needs to be. Would you be willing to strike this objection with my guarantee that I will replace that image when I can? Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 21:23, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
        • I can help you obtain them if you need to. I mean, the ones I have aren't bad; at least they're better than nothing. But yes, if you can guarantee that you will put the images of let me put them when I find them, I will sstrike the objection and put my support vote for thi article.--ID-21 Dolphin DolphinJedi(Talk) 21:34, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
        • Yeah, definitely. Menkooroo 05:12, December 17, 2010 (UTC)
  • Can you give just a touch of context on Vader in the intro? What you have in the bio is good.
    • Done.
  • The Neimoidian aide who informs Tarko about Vader's arrival, and the aide who warns him about the untested restraints: As they both seem to have lines, do you think they're worthy of their own articles?
    • I'm sure someone has gone ahead and created articles for them. Personally, I don't think they're notable enough to have their own articles, but if you happen upon the articles before I do, feel free to link to them.
      • Found 'em. Menkooroo 15:25, December 3, 2010 (UTC)
  • This is admittedly pretty nitpicky, but I don't know if the last sentence of personality & traits is needed. It seems to be a repeat of info from the end of the bio with no actual information about Tarko's personality or traits; the previous sentence's "fatal apex" remark would probably be enough closure to the section. Whaddya think?
    • I disagree; I think it sums up that paragraph rather nicely.
  • Should "A Tour of (some of) The Force Unleashed II Story on StarWars.com" be an external link, rather than a source, as per this? Doesn't seem to have any unique canonical info.
    • Yes, it should be an external link, and is now one. I assume it was originally listed as a source because it predated the game's release.
  • That's all. Just really minor things. Really well-done! I'm not very interested in TFU stuff, but this guy's an intriguing character. Menkooroo 05:10, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
Eyrezer
  • There are two points where I feel the Bio and the P&T are not quite consistent:
    • "Starkiller managed to defeat the Gorog, ... Screaming in fear, the Moff became the Gorog's last meal as he fell into the beast's open mouth." compared with "Starkiller defeated the creature, but not before the massive beast made a last meal out of the Baron." The first makes it sound like Starkiller defeated the Gorog, then it killed the Baron, while the other has it killing the Baron then Starkiller defeating the Gorog. Can you harmonise the P&T somewhat?
    • "a Neimoidian aide's protest about the creature's untested restraints fell on deaf ears." and " ignoring a frightened Neimoidian aide's warnings about the arena's untested restraints." The latter makes it sound as though the restraints are for the arena and not connected with the Gorog, while the first has makes it clear that it is the restraints on the Gorog. Presumably these are the same thing, but it confused me when I first read it. Again, can you harmonise the accounts? --Eyrezer 21:02, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 18:50, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

  • Oh, I suppose there are spoilers for TFU II. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 21:05, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
  • I replaced the picture of the bridge city with a new one: Tarko and the stormtrooper shooting at Starkiller and moved the Tarko-se image to the personality section. Tell me what you think.--ID-21 Dolphin DolphinJedi(Talk) 21:22, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
    • That's not how it works, and you should know this by now. It's not your decision to make. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 21:24, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
    • Sorry, just saw my talk page and won't add it again. But what's wrong about the image?--ID-21 Dolphin DolphinJedi(Talk) 21:34, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
      • It's of a low quality, and needs to be edited to remove the black bars at the top and the bottom. Do that, and then I'll consider adding it. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 21:36, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
    • Removed the black bars, and I've uploaded a slightly higher-quality version, though I'm still on the lookout for a better one. I knew this issue could be settled without conflict.--ID-21 Dolphin DolphinJedi(Talk) 22:44, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  • I won't have TFUII it hand again for a while, but a few of the peripheral databank entries left me with the impression that Tarko-Se was not a city, but rather that the entire planet had been renamed to Tarko-Se in the wake of Imperial occupation. I can't speak for the novel or the comic, but that was the impression I was left with based on various databank entries. I had planned to address this when I got a hold of the game again, (as an objection, if I could cite it) but it looks like FAs are already being fast-tracked. SinisterSamurai 23:09, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
    • FWIW, the novel uses Cato Neimoidia consistently. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 23:15, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
    • Agreed; so does every other in-game and out-of-game source. I actually don't think the name "Tarko-se" is mentioned in the game, but "Cato Neimoidia" is mentioned multiple times.--ID-21 Dolphin DolphinJedi(Talk) 00:21, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
      • The Tarko-se databank entry refers just to the city and not the planet. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 23:43, November 17, 2010 (UTC)