Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Manaan/Legends (second nomination)

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Manaan

(5 Inq/2 Users/7 Total)

Support

1. Nomination by Master Aban Fiolli ^{(Alpheridies University ComNet)} 21:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
2. Cactuar83 21:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
3. —Graestan^{(This party's over)} 15:04, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
4. Thefourdotelipsis 01:36, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
5. Greyman^(Paratus) 16:03, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
6. Green Tentacle ^(Talk) 23:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
7. The article has been rescued from the butchery of Count Droid-Fish! YAAAAY! -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 02:33, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

1. OK, you might need to follow the sectioning precedent set by Arbra. Thefourdotelipsis 01:15, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
   • Is this better? I tried to emulate the Arbra entry more, but I am not certain if this is what you were looking for. Thanks. Master Aban Fiolli ^{(Alpheridies University ComNet)} 04:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
     • Fauna section is probably more suited to "Inhabitants". A {{Main}} link might be needed for the Government section. Also, perhaps some more suitable images could be found, and placed in more relevant sections. But we're getting there. Thefourdotelipsis 23:48, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
       • Moved Fauna to Inhabitants, added link for Government, added some images and moved a couple around to better fit the text. Also added Immigrated Species to Inhabitants, since I thought it was important to mention as a follow-up of what is posted in the infobox at the moment. Master Aban Fiolli ^{(Alpheridies University ComNet)} 20:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
2. From the battered desk of Four Dot:
   • OK, image next to the infobox squashes the text something terrible, so just remove that first pic.
     • Done. Moved it to later in the article. Master Aban Fiolli ^{(Alpheridies University ComNet)} 19:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
       • Eh...it looks like it's still there. File:Manaansoceans.jpg is the one I'm talking about. Thefourdotelipsis 22:20, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
         • Sorry. I thought I had moved it. Master Aban Fiolli ^{{Alpheridies University ComNet}} 01:32, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
   • Infobox needs to be fully ref'd for that matter.
     • Whoops… Fixed. Master Aban Fiolli ^{(Alpheridies University ComNet)} 19:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
   • "These pods, however, were not always filled with water as adult Selkath could breathe air without being submersed." - I don't quite follow. Could be worded better.
     • Is this better? Master Aban Fiolli ^{(Alpheridies University ComNet)} 19:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
   • "marvelous" is POV.
     • Fixed. Master Aban Fiolli ^{(Alpheridies University ComNet)} 19:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
   • "Upon her visit to Manaan, Bastila Shan commented that finding something on the ocean floor would be nearly impossible. According to her, much of the planet was uncharted and unknown, even to the native Selkath." - Personally, I don't think it bodes well to doubt a source or throw it in shady light just because it's IU.
     • Is this wording better? Master Aban Fiolli ^{(Alpheridies University ComNet)} 19:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
   • For the Revan bit, you might need to use the "Light side choice assumption" template.
     • Done. Master Aban Fiolli ^{(Alpheridies University ComNet)} 19:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
   • "By a century after the Jedi Civil War, at least two Selkath had sat on the Jedi Council" - Fanon. Shadows and Light is set after the Great Sith War, not the Jedi Civil War. And it's the Dantooine Council. And this has little relevance to Manaan at any rate.
     • Fixed. Master Aban Fiolli ^{(Alpheridies University ComNet)} 19:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
   • File:ManaanWalls1319.jpg needs to be cropped better.
     • Fixed. Master Aban Fiolli ^{(Alpheridies University ComNet)} 19:35, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
   • "Around 5 ABY Admiral Ackbar began a campaign through the Inner Rim worlds, freeing several planets from the grip of the Empire. It is possible that Manaan was liberated in this campaign even though Manaan was not part of the Republic in the years leading up to the Galactic Civil War.[8] It is unknown if Manaan joined the New Republic following the war." - Total unfounded speculation. Axe it.
     • Removed. Master Aban Fiolli ^{(Alpheridies University ComNet)} 19:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
   • "Selkath" section. There's a quote in the prose. Remove it.
     • Done. Master Aban Fiolli ^{(Alpheridies University ComNet)} 19:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
   • "Manaan is not the only oceanic planet in the Galaxy. Another is Dac, also known as Mon Calamari. This planet is home to the Mon Calamari and Quarren species. This connection has led to speculation that Admiral Ackbar, a Mon Calamari, was responsible for the liberation of Manaan during his campaign in 5 ABY." Whoa, no way.
     • I bumped it down to BTS because I didn't think it belonged in the main article. I have no qualms ridding it altogether. Master Aban Fiolli ^{(Alpheridies University ComNet)} 19:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
   • Thefourdotelipsis 07:21, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
     • Thanks, 4dot. Master Aban Fiolli ^{(Alpheridies University ComNet)} 19:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
3. Here we go again:
   • Description: "One such pod may have been the Umber pod. The Umber pod, in spite of being under water, contained breathable air rather than water even though young Selkath were unable to breathe without being submersed." IGN is not a source. This stuff is fine for BTS but must die in the main article.
     • Fixed. Master Aban Fiolli ^{{Alpheridies University ComNet}} 23:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
   • Autonomy: "The kolto supply remained, however, and was known to be used as early as 1,013 BBY." Could do with being rewritten since you've already talked about it being used earlier than that.
     • Addressed. Master Aban Fiolli ^{{Alpheridies University ComNet}} 23:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
   • Autonomy: "It would continue to be used even through the years of the Galactic Civil War, though it was considered less effective than bacta and a cheaper alternative." Kolto was considered a cheaper alternative to bacta? If so this might read better as "it was considered a less effective and cheaper alternative to bacta."
     • Reworded. Master Aban Fiolli ^{{Alpheridies University ComNet}} 23:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
   • Immigrated species: Could do with a brief mention of the Humans coming during the Galactic Civil War. Green Tentacle ^(Talk) 23:48, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
     • Added a blurb. Tried not to repeat too much information from earlier in the article. Master Aban Fiolli ^{{Alpheridies University ComNet}} 23:56, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Comments

Approved by Inquisitorius 19:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

• Not only is this my first FA nom, it is a restoration project. I'll try to fix any objections as quickly as possible. Master Aban Fiolli ^{(Alpheridies University ComNet)} 21:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I applied some tweaks to the image number and placement, and I re-linked the article, as well. Please note that some more trivial info, as well as in-universe info that has been explored some in the main body, has been removed from "Behind the scenes." Also, this is a good example of a planet article that is nicely modified to suit the planet's characteristics. Very well done, Fiolli.—Graestan^{(This party's over)} 15:04, 2 November 2007 (UTC)