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Fenn Booda

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  1. Never knew there was this much info on this guy. Cevan IMPpress (talk) 00:20, November 9, 2016 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote I think it's funny... Also: I'm hoping to see two things from you, Clonehunter. First, a status article nomination for Oovo IV/Legends, and second, the full-size novel The Color of Booda's Arms. Imperators II(Talk) 22:41, November 10, 2017 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 06:36, December 22, 2017 (UTC)
  4. Inqvote Supreme Emperor (talk) 04:23, January 5, 2018 (UTC)
  5. JangFett (Talk) 03:21, January 11, 2018 (UTC)
  6. Inqvote Exiled Jedi (talk) 21:02, January 11, 2018 (UTC)

Object

Cevan
  • I assume Booda is meant to have said "Suit," rather than "Suite," in the quote under the 'Detainment of Aurra Sing' subsection? Cevan IMPpress (talk) 19:47, November 6, 2016 (UTC)
    • Yes. I just re-checked the comic it looks like I copied it down wrong. My mistake. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 23:50, November 8, 2016 (UTC)
Imperators II
  • Please create a category for wardens, if there isn't one already.
    • Created.
  • Please add a backup link to the ign.com citation.
    • Is that formatted right?
      • Argh, sorry for taking so long to get back to this. No, it's not formatted correctly. {{WebCite}} is probably one of the best-documented templates we have, so please take the time to read it.
        • Oh wow, I wasn't even close. I think I followed it correctly now, although one question: Do I just delete the parameters I didn't use? Also, I left out author since the link doesn't go to the actual review, but a base page before it. I don't know if you want the author anyways or not. Also, thank you for the tip on the objection. I honestly hadn't noticed it up here. Sorry about that. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 19:15, October 7, 2017 (UTC)
          • Yeah, you remove any parameters you don't use, per the second sentence of the template's documentation. Done it for you. Imperators II(Talk) 08:20, October 8, 2017 (UTC)
  • The dating ref of 22 BBY is insufficient - what has Episode II got to do with Jedi: Aayla Secura?
    • Uuuh, I dunno. I'll check this and update this accordingly. Meanwhile, I think I got the others.
      • Alright, proper date source. Hope it's worded okay. Found a nugget of interesting, though, that I apparently skipped over before. TNEC claims Booda accepted Sing's offer and released her after a few months. Coruscant Nights has her in prison until she's freed. TNEC also mentions Sing trying to kill Anakin during the Cortorsis Battle Droid incident, given her appearance The New Droid Army, which occurs after the Aayla Secura story. Coruscant Nights seems to have skipped over the NEC and The New Droid Army to put her back in Desolation Alley. I wrote it as a "discrepancies" section, as I don't know if we can just extrapolate that she was released and randomly imprisoned again, though I suppose that could have happened and Booda did in fact free her. Wouldn't be much to rewrite. I might just do that before you reply, even. I ramble in these things. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 16:21, September 10, 2017 (UTC)
  • "A male[1] member of a tall, thin species," — this would be perfectly at home in the P&T section.
    • Okay. How does that look? "Gaunt"'s definition sort of includes thin/lean/skinny/pencil.
  • The number of Booda's digits should be mentioned.
    • Done.
  • Imho, the lead quote and the caption of the first body image should be changed to reflect that Booda was not talking to a non-descript prisoner, but Aurra Sing. Imperators II(Talk) 15:36, August 31, 2017 (UTC)
    • I had thought about it, but my reasoning for not doing so was that given both the quote and the image being a part of the first paragraph, which hasn't introduced Aurra Sing yet, it would make more contextual sense to not mention her. However, I believe the image is larger than what is shown (This is the image that existed before I wrote the article and changed the infobox image), so I could maybe move it down and replace it with the full image of Booda talking to Sing and then change the caption. Yes? No? Thoughts? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:18, September 9, 2017 (UTC)
      • I recommend you leave the image in the first section and just change the caption to reflect that what we see in the image is Booda fullfilling his duties as a warden or something like that.
        • Ok, how about that?
  • Bio: "as the intergalactic Clone Wars raged on after it sparked on the planet of Geonosis during the year.[9]" — neither "intergalactic", "Clone Wars", nor "during the year" can be sourced to Episode II.
    • I switched over the whole sentence to the NEC, since the book describes all of that well enough.
  • BTS: "Sing remained imprisoned in Oovo IV until she was freed by Darth Vader" — did the novel actually say that Sing remained on Oovo IV from her imprisonment during Jedi: Aayla Secura? If not, then you're just combining two non-conflicting pieces of information and the note under the Discrepancies section is unnecessary. Imperators II(Talk) 22:30, September 23, 2017 (UTC)
    • You're right, that was pointless. Coruscant Nights mentions the altercation on Devaron, but it does not *directly* link Sing's current prison sentence with the one from the comic book. Given what the NEC says, it can be considered her second sentence, which doesn't appear to be explained. Removed the BtS sub-section and cleaned up the last Bio paragraph, given that it went too much into detail about Aurra Sing, and not so much Booda. Left her second sentence in for context, though. My mistake for transcribing the book wrong. Still seems to be a bad habit on occasion. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 19:16, September 29, 2017 (UTC)
  • Neither "jabber-jaw", "jabberjaw", or "jabber jaw" are words in any dictionary I can see, except for Jabberjaw. Imperators II(Talk) 14:02, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
    • Despite having used the term with that connotation for quite some time, it may be fair to assess that it is not as common as I thought. But I googled some places that list it. If you'd prefer, though, the Nintendo racer guides uses the term "hyperactive motor-mouth." I kinda dig it. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 15:45, October 28, 2017 (UTC)
      • You realize, though, that none of the three sources you listed can be used for encyclopedic writing, right? Wordnik.com offers no definitions, just examples used by some people; Wordcentral.com lists words submitted by users (I kid you not, three words down there's a word submitted by someone with the username "Hot Mama"), and Urban Dictionary...yeah. "Motor-mouth" (or, rather, "motormouth") can at least be found in formal dictionaries. Imperators II(Talk) 16:46, October 28, 2017 (UTC)
        • What I realize is that the sources, though not encyclopedic themselves, reinforce the idea that the word is used in that way. You'll see, one day the world will see it my way! But for now, I changed it to motormouth. The book actually hyphenates, but if the dictionary doesn't, then that's probably more correct. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 19:54, November 1, 2017 (UTC)
SE
  • "One tunnel on Vengeance lacked any ore whatsoever and instead played host to an exogorth." Can you give some context on what an exogorth is?
    • How's that?
      • I would suggest describing it as a giant slug capable of surviving in the vaccum of space Supreme Emperor (talk) 21:40, October 16, 2017 (UTC)
        • Seems kind of extraneous, so what about just "space-slug?" More or less tells us it lives in space and everything that goes with it. The tunnel, as I recall, is in an outside portion of the The Gauntlet track, which should allow the note to stay the same. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 05:42, October 22, 2017 (UTC)
  • "the diminutive jabber-jaw" What exactly does jabber-jaw mean? Supreme Emperor (talk) 02:40, October 8, 2017 (UTC)
    • A term used for those who talk too much. The racer guides describe Fud Sang as being a very talkative individual. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 08:25, October 8, 2017 (UTC)
  • "After a series of events on the planet Devaron" What kinds of events? Describing it as a series of events seems a bit vague imo. Supreme Emperor (talk) 03:07, October 23, 2017 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • In the intro, I'm confused by this sentence. The intro's opening line says Booda is the warden of Oovo IV, so who are these "other wardens" supposed to be? I realize the article body says that he's the main warden, but that should be explained in the intro, unless you want to rework this wording somehow. "...Booda and the other wardens..."
    • Added "head warden" and reworded your highlighted bit a little. I could call them "sub-wardens," if that terminology would make sense.
      • Well, what does the game (or other sources) call both Booda and the other guys? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:43, December 11, 2017 (UTC)
        • The game guides just refer to them as additional wardens. No specific term outside of "warden." --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:56, December 12, 2017 (UTC)
          • That's what I would suggest doing, then. I don't think you need to call Booda the main warden or anything. Just call him the warden, and refer to the others as "additional wardens" or other wardens, etc. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:38, December 12, 2017 (UTC)
  • I find the first Biography quote much more befitting of being the article's main quote than the one that's currently there. I would strongly suggest making it the main quote and trying to find another for the first Bio section if available. If not, you could still use the current main quote as the overall Bio quote, before the first subsection.
    • Ironically that was the original order. I went back to the old quotes. I don't remember why I changed them, actually.
      • I'm guessing the "suite" misspelling in the P/T quote is your own? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:43, December 11, 2017 (UTC)
        • Apparently I wasn't paying attention when I copied over the old quote format, as this was Cevan's objection. Fixed, again. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:56, December 12, 2017 (UTC)
  • Are there no images to use for the Aurra Sing subsection? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:49, November 22, 2017 (UTC)
    • Booda appears in a grand total of two panels in the comic. One is what we see in the first bio section, and the second is a closeup of his face. There is more to the first image, showing Sing trapped in the force-field prison. Given that the image is located in the first bio, I figured it wouldn't make sense to replace it (That's the original image for this article, actually) given that the section has nothing to do with Aurra Sing. If you want, I could move the P&T image to the first Bio, and then upload the full panel of the current First Bio image to the P&T.
      • I think that would a good idea. It's more important to have images in the Bio than the P/T. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:43, December 11, 2017 (UTC)
      • Just reminding you that this remaining objection is here. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:30, December 20, 2017 (UTC)
      • I've taken the liberty of rearranging the images as such and adding in the missing comic panel to the P/T to match that section's quote. I left the P/T image's caption blank -- please add something relevant. Also, after looking at this comic page myself, I think the full-body image of Booda and Aurra should be re-cropped to include her speech bubble, which is a particularly important line she speaks, and it illustrates that section's quote to match. JMAS seems compelled to handle that image, so maybe he can reupload it. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 05:04, December 20, 2017 (UTC)
        • I asked him. Also added a caption to the image. Looks a bit wonky in monobook, but I might be the only one still using it given a discussion I saw elsewhere. If I may ask here, what's the best resource editors are using for acquiring digital versions of comic books for Star Wars? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:14, December 21, 2017 (UTC)
          • No compulsion, just by the time I saw your response on my talk page, Tope, I had recropped and uploaded the image already. It has now been recropped to include both speech bubbles. - JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 07:23, December 21, 2017 (UTC)
          • A couple things. Firstly, please come up with a more compelling, substantive image caption for the P/T. "Fenn Booda converses with his latest prisoner, Aurra Sing." is boring and obvious, and way too similar to the preceding section's caption. Tell me what they're conversing about and why it's important. Images and image captions should be the garnish of flavor to the section that they're in. Secondly, you're welcome to use Monobook, but we should be formatting our articles for Wikia skin, since that's how 99.9% of our readers are seeing us; the images look perfect for Wikia skin's margins. As for digital versions of comic books, I believe you can pretty much get them anywhere you buy books online. Marvel.com and Amazon are the two primary sources that come to mind. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 02:50, December 21, 2017 (UTC)
            • I little long, but I suppose this ties it into the P&T a bit more. Figured that was the case as far skins go. Funny enough I wrote something about Amazon reviews stating questionable quality on their comics, but it appears I deleted that before posting it. I didn't realize Marvel's site sold digital comics, but it's been a while since I've been there. Thanks. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 03:45, December 21, 2017 (UTC)
              • Caption is perfect and images look great. Thanks, JMAS. Good job, Clonehunter. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 06:36, December 22, 2017 (UTC)
  • Can you explain for me the purpose of using dual references for this sentence clause? I understand the need to use the Game Boy color ref at the end of this sentence, but I don't understand why both are needed here: "The warden also gave Sang chances to race off-world,[2][7]" Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:51, November 22, 2017 (UTC)
    • Hm, I'm thinking I did that under the idea that Sang could be randomly generated to appear on other planets and that the player could take him to other planets too. Also the fact that he appears in the Mos Espa cantina in the game at times, indicating that he at least goes as far as Tatooine in addition to Ando Prime. Given that his race appearances though can be random or player controlled, I think the E1R reference is in lieu of the ambiguity over where Sang was allowed to race, given game mechanics. We don't know how many other places Sang was allowed to go to, and we don't know if he was restricted to Tatooine/Ando prime. If that makes sense. The E1R ref could still work as far as the Tatooine presence goes, without going into much detail. Thoughts? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 03:36, November 23, 2017 (UTC)
      • There's a lot to digest in what you've said there. For my part, I don't know what part of all of this is exclusive to the Game Boy Color version, thus necessitating that second reference. Maybe that's what you could explain for me. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:43, December 11, 2017 (UTC)
        • What's exclusive to the GBC version is Fud Sang having a presence on Ando Prime, despite this incarceration on Oovo IV and his apparent exclusivity to Oovo IV races. In both games, players can take Sang elsewhere other than Oovo and Ando Prime, but given this is a player choice, it may not reflect Sang's non-Oovo/Prime races in-universe. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:56, December 12, 2017 (UTC)
          • Ok, but if the other versions of the game (or however many there are besides GBC) indicate that Sang was allowed to race offworld, you don't need the GBC ref for this sentence clause. You only need it for the end of that sentence, which mentions the Ando Prime bit. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:38, December 12, 2017 (UTC)
            • That makes sense. Perhaps I was over-complicating it in an attempt to simplify it. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 03:19, December 19, 2017 (UTC)
  • Do we really need the "Podracing in Desolation Alley" paragraph detailing which professional circuit all of those Oovo IV tracks belonged to? It's a lot of extraneous detail that really doesn't directly pertain to Fenn Booda at all. A good indicator that you don't need something is when you write an entire paragraph without mentioning the article subject's name. In this case, we're not losing any information about Booda by removing this paragraph. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 03:51, December 19, 2017 (UTC)
    • No, you're right. It doesn't belong. Removed, save for the one sentence that was at the beginning, as I feel it places Booda within the sphere of the professional circuits as opposed to casual racing. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 04:20, December 20, 2017 (UTC)

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Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 21:05, January 11, 2018 (UTC)