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Dud Bolt

(2 Inqs/3 Users/5 Total)

Support

  1. Thefourdotelipsis (talk) 00:56, November 13, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote IFYLOFD (Enter the Floydome) 06:08, March 1, 2014 (UTC)
  3. praguepride (Talk) 13:36, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Inqvote Sir Cavalier of OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 14:39, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Coruscantfan (Talk) 19:48, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

Object

Point IV
  • "Despite his rather rudimentary presence" - A rudimentary presence? Interesting turn of phrase, I think it might be a bridge too far though. Perhaps rudimentary "appearance"?
    • Mmm, maybe read it now.
  • Section, quote, sub-section doesn't quite work. Find a home for it in one of the subsections.
    • Must... Add... More-Quotes... To balance... Heh, but alright.
  • "Not in it to win it himself" - A bit informal and reads oddly, rephrase.
    • How about now?
  • "The Vulptereen's aggressive tendencies furthered themselves" - I'm not sure that tendencies can further themselves per se -- perhaps something like "amplified" would be advisable.
    • Thesaurus is always useful, though amplified does seem pretty good.
  • "Around 32 BBY, the next iteration of the Boonta Eve Classic on the Outer Rim planet of Tatooine was announced." - You've sourced this to TPM... strictly speaking this does not happen in TPM.
    • Well, strictly speaking, no it's not announced, per-say. I see your point.
  • "Sebulba found Dud Bolt having a drink, and promptly insulted the Vulptereen. Bolt took little offence while Sebulba explained it was only an act, meant to hide the fact that Bolt was working for him. Sebulba even claimed that he respected the Vulptereen pilot. As such, Sebulba cautioned Bolt to be extra careful of the contestants and to keep his eyes open for any signs of trouble or plotting. Meanwhile, only a few seats away in the bar the aging Devlikk pilot Wan Sandage had hired on the Glymphid hit-man Aldar Beedo, whom Sandage wanted to finish off Sebulba during the race." - Both PBP and extraneous in parts.
    • Condensed
  • "Fode Annodue, introduced the pilots, cheerfully welcoming Bolt and his podracer back to the Boonta." - It should be established earlier that Bolt has raced the Boonta Eve Classic, then.
    • Ok
  • "Jabba the Hutt, the host for the race, arrived in his personal viewing box soon after and exorbitantly announced the start of the race. The pilots burst out of the starting grid and raced onto the track with the Hutt's go-ahead." - Condense.
    • Condensed
  • "Two pilots, however, were left behind–Anakin Skywalker and the Toong pilot Ben Quadinaros. Skywalker was able to start off a little later after readjusting his pod while Ben remained grounded for the rest of the race." - Irrelevant, this is Bolt's biography, not a summary of the race.
    • Condensed
  • "Skywalker was able to catch up with the rear of the pack soon after, overtaking Bolt and several other podracers. Dud Bolt remained in the rear of the pack for the remainder of the race." - Repetition of "rear of the pack", break it up a tad.
    • How's that
  • A part of the article, namely Guo's removal causing difficulty for Skywalker is from the DVD-onwards incarnation of TPM. A separate cite should be used for this.
    • Mmm, okay.
  • "However, sometime around 24 BBY, Sebulba ejected Bolt from his job at the Dug's side" - An odd way of phrasing it. How about "Sebulba terminated Bolt's services as his in-race bodyguard"?
    • Mmm, how does it look now?
  • "Sebulba ejected Bolt from his job at the Dug's side and instead hired Aldar Beedo, the very Glymphid who was once hired to kill Sebulba, to work as Sebulba's new bodyguard." - Sebulba three times in the same sentence, break it up.
    • kay
  • You're going to need to provide a more detailed citation for Bolt's "presence" in AOTC.
    • Not sure what you mean, but I gave a source for the identification of that planet as Ando Prime (As otherwise it's never mentioned in the film itself). If you mean "Is it him", looking closely in the cockpit during the scene and in the new photo, the cockpit is clearly not empty, and the round shape of Bolt is in there, though shadowed. Look at the CGI podracer in the databank and note the the shape.
      • Screencap addresses the issue.
  • "In the end, however, Bolt was never able to completely finish off Aldar Beedo during a race, as Beedo was captured by a mercenary on Baroonda" - Repetition of Beedo. In general, try to break up the way that you refer to characters.
    • Okay
  • "As for Sebulba, his fate was not recorded, though he had both a son named Hekula, and a grandson named Pugwis." - Irrelevant.
    • Condensed, as we never know if Dud Bolt catches Sebulba or not, as Sebulba's fate is never revealed, or not yet anyways. Wasn't totally sure how to word it though, but I feel it should be mentioned, as he shouldn't just simply disappear from the article whereas we learn that Bolt never gets Beedo.
  • "though if his course demeanor ever slowed him down, his pod's boost package generally threw him back into the thick of things, where he preferred it." - A lot of informal phrasing, and "course demeanor" is doesn't really function well as a description.
    • Alright, how does it sound now?
  • "He did not care much for his pod's appearance and his track activities were obvious with the battle scars that his pod showed off." - Repetition of "pod"
    • Okay, er, now?
  • "After he was more-or-less double-crossed by Sebulba, an enraged Bolt vowed to destroy his old employer and his new bodyguard, Aldar Beedo." - This is out of place in the P&T, in the middle of a part where you're talking about how Bolt regards and treats his own pod. Split it up and rejig it.
    • ¿Qué pasa ahora?
  • "Bolt had rather short legs, which were quite dwarfed by his long arms, that were more than double the length of his legs. Bolt had yellow eyes and skin that was predominately grayish-blue, though it had areas of a much lighter blue that bordered the color of white, along with a yellow patch on his stomach." - Sentences starting the same way, repetitive.
    • Tried to vary it a bit now
  • Elements of the P/T that are describing the Vulptereen species have nothing to do with his personality or traits, which is that that section is for.
    • Alright, removed the echolocation info. Maybe it'd be useful if it could be related to his piloting ability.
  • "As such, Bolt held on to these traits." - Feels out of place and doesn't mean anything. "He had given skills and as a result he kept them."
    • How does it read now
  • "However, his skills weren't ubiquitous or all-consuming." - How would his skills be ubiquitous? Perhaps you mean "flawless" or even "impeccable" or even "indefatigable" or something like that, but certainly not ubiquitous.
    • Yah, that was the wrong terminology. How about now.
  • The skills section keeps talking about "skills skills skills" - Break up the descriptors a bit.
    • Okay, how does it look now?
  • How can the character have first appeared in a video game that came out on the same day as the film? Perhaps mention that he's in the film, and is a playable character in the tie-in video game that was released on the same day. This is especially so given that he's a puppet and principal photography was done in 1997 or something.
    • It's just that both appeared on the same day, which is mentioned. Now, if we wanna get real technical and just not use the tag, then we can go off the fact that TPM had a midnight release, thus meaning it opened before regular business hours for a store, as such meaning it was available to the public before the game was, even if they were released on the same day. I don't think principal photography really matters at all, because as far as I know (And if I'm wrong) the Appearances section is about release date, above all else. Unless that's not what you meant, in which case, I have no idea.
  • If the character truly appears and it's not just his pod in AOTC, a screenshot would be in order. Thefourdotelipsis (talk) 23:35, November 7, 2013 (UTC)
    • Explained this further above, but I added the shot, replacing that awful old one, where Bolt wasn't even in the cockpit! --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 01:50, November 10, 2013 (UTC)
El Jefe
  • Is it really proper to just refer to a podracer as a "Pod"? I've only ever seen the full term used.
    • I'm pretty sure I've seen this, but I will check again to see if the slang is used in any actual source.
      • Actually, I'm fairly certain Anakin refers to one simply as a "P/pod" in The Phantom Menace, when he's talking about he had managed to save most of his racer during his last crash. I'll have to watch it again, but I'll just note that here real quick. It might not be "proper," but it'd be in-universe slang. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 17:19, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
  • "Dud Bolt targeted the Nuknog pilot Ark Roose to knock out, and while he was successful in knocking Roose from the race," Double knock.
    • Fixed
  • Context on Teemto Pagalies.
    • Added
  • "hired the Glymphid hit-man Aldar Beedo to off Sebulba during the race" To "off" Sebulba is pretty nice mob lingo, but probably too colloquial for this.
    • Wan Sandage is Michael Corleone's third-cousin four times removed. (fixed)
  • "As for Sebulba, his life ended fatally in a fashion his enemies would've been pleased with," First off, "life ended fatally" is pretty redundant. Also, any info on this? IFYLOFD (Enter the Floydome) 00:49, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
    • Fixed redundancy. The NEGC is vague. It simply states he died in a way those who didn't like him would be happy with. There's nothing else I've seen that actually states when he died or how. I think the CSWE doesn't even mention it at all. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 19:49, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
Attack of the Clone
  • A few preliminaries. First, unless he is consistently referred to "Dud Bolt" (and not "Bolt") in every single appearance/source, he should only be referred to as "Dud Bolt" at the start of every main section, and then "Bolt" each time afterward. The article calls him "Dud Bolt" almost every single time, which is unnecessary.
    • Finished this part. Yah, I seem to do that a bit, and I can't say I know why. Maybe because "Dud Bolt" is relatively short for a full name? I dunno. Anyways, this part, I think, has been addressed.--Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 01:17, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
  • Please check your linking. There are a few duplicate links and potentially some missing ones, so please give the article a thorough copy-edit. CC7567 (talk) 05:25, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
    • I only found one duplicate link, but otherwise I added links, fixed some spellings, etc... Link wise, I hope it looks good. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:37, May 23, 2014 (UTC)
  • Star Wars: Power of the Jedi should use {{HasbroCite}}.
    • Actually, looking back, I'm not entirely sure why Bolt is listed for that line. He never appeared as a figure, although if Sebulba had, he may have been mentioned. I'll add the cite for now regardless. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 21:20, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
      • Actually, per the last Mofference, templates like {{HasbroCite}} shouldn't be used unless they specify more information and don't simply just add a logo to the source, so it shouldn't be used without more information on the set/pack, etc. In any case, please verify why it's listed. CC7567 (talk) 21:24, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
        • Hm, he may have been mentioned on a Sebulba toy? I know some of the PotJ stuff came with info pamphlets. Rebel Scum probably knows. (So really this comment is jist thinking out loud). --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 19:41, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
          • Okay, added information about the pack Bolt was mentioned in.--Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 03:32, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
            • {{HasbroCite}} with all parameters filled out was fine by itself; the addition of the {{C}} tag was a bit unnecessary, so I've removed it. CC7567 (talk) 05:02, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
  • Please thoroughly check your Sources list to make sure everything is in the proper publication order. I'm noticing a few publications that are out of order.
    • This still needs to be addressed. CC7567 (talk) 01:00, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
      • Sorry about that. This should be sorted now, with some notes: THe Nintendo Player Guide has nopublishing information that I've been able to find, other than some websites claiming 1999, which I believe the book states in its opening pages. THe book has no Month or day, however. Also, the Fact File didn't have a date, so I left it where it was. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 01:14, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
        • Toprawa has compiled a helpful list of approximate Fact File dates. While not official, it's the closest thing we have to laying down definitive publication dates for the Fact Files. CC7567 (talk) 01:15, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
          • Alright, fixed up the source order then, using that. I'll be sure to get to the passive voice thing soon. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 01:49, July 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • "Bolt targeted the Nuknog pilot Ark Roose to knock out": the use of "knock out" without a following direct object is rather awkward; please reword.
    • Should look better now. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 03:58, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
      • Please check your changes. "remove from the race" is insufficient without a direct object after "remove," seeing as it's being used as a transitive verb in this case. CC7567 (talk) 05:02, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
  • "Skillful and well known on the track, many hypothesized that on the occasions when Bolt lost": dangling clause; the subject of the first dependent clause ("Skillfull…") doesn't match that of the second, independent clause ("many…"). Please reword.
    • Does it look any better now? I just removed a bit that seemed like it was repeating earlier info. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 03:58, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
  • Would it be applicable to pipelink alcohol when you mention "drink"?
    • It's never made clear what he is drinking. In fact, the only character in that comic who appeared to drink alcohol was MArs Guo, whose drinking isn't even mentioned in the article. If we want 'drink' to simply link to something, okay, but otherwise it's never actually stated what he's drinking. It could just be water for all we know. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 21:20, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • The article varies between "Fode Annodue" and "Fodesinbeed Annodue." I'd suggest picking one and sticking with it.
    • Fodesinbeed should be used when referring to the two heads, and Fode when it only applies to the red head. As for the TPM Game quote, I'm using that as seen on other articles that the quote can be found. I actually can't say if Fode speaks that line or Beed. I'll try to look through some more lets plays though on youtube. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 03:58, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
  • "Already during the first lap had Sebulba smashed Mawhonic apart in the Mushroom Mesa, and later roasted the engines of Holdfast with an illegal flamethrower before knocking Guo out of the race by throwing a piece of junk into Guo's engine intake,[5] a move that almost dispensed of Skywalker as well." This can definitely be split up.
  • Please avoid using words like "ill-fated" and "lucky." Unless we have conclusive evidence that something is related to an individual's luck or destiny, it's POV-oriented wording.
    • Removed ill-fated. As for lucky I thought it was used/referred as in the NEGC? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:12, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
      • Even if it's from source material, I personally treat it as POV-oriented. I'd prefer to limit any direct references to luck unless there's clear, indisputable evidence that something is "lucky." CC7567 (talk) 08:19, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
  • "During the next race, Holdfast was killed by Beedo on Sebulba's behalf during a race on Coruscant." Please avoid using passive voice, i.e. it should be "[x] killed [y]" instead of "[y] was killed by [x]" so that there's a clear relationship between the subject, the active verb, and the direct object. Please thoroughly check for this in the rest of the article as well. Also, you mention the race here twice, which is unnecessary.
    • I haven't checked the rest of the article, but that example should be good for now. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:12, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
      • I'm not seeing a change regarding passive voice—it needs to read something like, "Beedo killed Holdfast and xyz happens." CC7567 (talk) 08:19, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
  • "Bolt ended up having the chance to down Beedo after the collision, but was unable to do so." I'm rather confused by this, since at this point, it's already stated that Beedo has died, and yet now it's stated that Bolt has the chance to "down" Beedo after a collision. What exactly was the chain of events—collision, Bolt getting the chance to down Beedo, and then Beedo dying? I'd suggest rewording this so that it matches the order of events as much as possible.
    • Er, Beedo never died. In fact, it looks like you just contradicted what you pasted above. :P Holdfast was killed by Beedo. Beedo never crashed, having only bumped Holdfast. In truth, the sentence should be reworded... --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 21:20, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • "though it was never revealed if Bolt had been the cause": this isn't definitively stated in the cited source. Also, since we should be writing from an IU perspective, we shouldn't be making these kinds of conclusions unless there's explicit evidence from a published source.
  • "as after he was more or less double-crossed by Sebulba": first, please fix the passive voice here. Second, the use of "more or less" is confusing—either Bolt believed he had been double-crossed, or he didn't.
    • The passive voice portion of this objection still needs to be addressed. CC7567 (talk) 01:00, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
      • This should be fixed by now, as well. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 18:47, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
        • The passive voice was still present, so I went ahead and took care of it myself. It needed to read something like, "Sebulba double-crossed him" instead of "he was double-crossed by Sebulba." CC7567 (talk) 22:51, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
  • I don't think it's necessary to go into the level of detail in the Equipment section regarding his Podracer. In particular, the vehicle's colors don't seem to be directly relevant to Bolt himself—what's more interesting is the fact that he didn't care about maintaining his vehicle's appearance. Details that are specific to the vehicle and not to Bolt himself should belong in an article about the vehicle.
    • Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... Added information about his flag. Databank mentions that flags colors were chosen to represent a homeworld or because they simply liked the colors. Regardless of why Bolt has those colors, his Podracer colors match his flag colors. This makes the colors relevant, in my opinion. In addition, the game guides seemed to act as if some of those vehicle traits were specific to Bolt's vehicle. THe amount of damage on his would probbaly have an effect on his vehicle, making it different than the stock vehicle. Also, while it can be argued as game mechanics, the stats are different between Racer and Revenge, thus leading to more of a personalized vehicle (In another argument, we can say that we have no idea how a stock Vulptereen 327 acts). --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:12, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
  • The first sentence of the Bts is a run-on and can be split up.
  • The Bts uses both self-sourcing and direct sourcing via refs. Please pick a single method and use it consistently.
    • I might need some clarification on this one. I try to just source bits of facts that can't be self-sourced, like I imagine appearances don't need to be sourced. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 19:49, July 2, 2014 (UTC)
      • After giving it further thought, it's acceptable as it is. CC7567 (talk) 01:00, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
  • No mention of Kinect Star Wars in the Bts? CC7567 (talk) 20:44, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • As I've already said, please thoroughly check the article for passive voice (e.g. changing "[x] was [verb] by [y]" to "[y] [verb] [x]") so it can be eliminated where it's unnecessary. Also, there are several objections that have exceeded the three-week limit for inactivity. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and avoid starting a removal vote for now, so please take care of them as soon as possible. CC7567 (talk) 01:00, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
    • Alright, went through it again, now, and tried to correct as much of this as I could find. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 23:30, July 13, 2014 (UTC)
Cav
  • The Unlicensed tags should be removed. As they stand, they imply that Star Wars Kinect is an unlicensed product which is not the case, and that the information contained within was released without LFL's knowledge or consent. - Sir Cavalier of OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 15:15, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
    • I thought that the Kinect story was ambiguously canon? I mean, the Podrace story mode is seperate from the more confusing stuff, and doesn't seem to contradict anything (Unless the fighting on Felucia was a clone fight, in which case it does contradict with the fact Aldar Beedo was incarcerated before the Clone Wars, but the fighting troops didn't look like clones or droids much, so...), which would make it canon then, and thus no tags should've been necessary in the first place? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 19:41, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
Cadeth
  • "constant warring on the track" - what do you mean?
    • Guides cite him as very aggressive. He picked a lot of inflight fights with other competitors, thus he was always in conflict with others on the track (warring, in another word).
  • "Decidedly not participating to win races," - same here. Was he not trying to win before Sebulba recruited him?
    • He may have been. One of the guides, on its Malastare 100 page, cite that Bolt has attempted, and achieved, record times. But, once hired, he was there to make sure Sebulba was the one who got to win.
  • "Many hypothesized" - many what? Bit more context.
    • Oh, looks like I forgot a word.
  • Was Bolt one of the interviewees? If not, the discussion of the interview is rather detail-heavy.
    • Good point. I cut it down a bit.
  • The same goes for the race segment. Are all of these details about Sebulba's actions necessary?
    • Probably not in the detail I went into. I kept the Guo bit, though, as Seb and Bolt sabotaged him early on. Also, are the Phuii still the Phuii? Or are they Bardottans now?
  • Context on the Galactic Trials.
    • Ok
  • "racked up on the knockout charts," - racked up what?
    • I figured this was self-explanatory, as what else would one "rack up" on a knockout chart, although leaving it like that does seem a bit... I don't know, slangish?
  • "Bolt took well to the course" - that's a very awkward sentence. Please rephrase.
  • I'll continue after these. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 20:43, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
  • "faking to mock Bolt for not attending the talk show" - what?
    • See the quote at the top of the page. In the comic Sebulba goes on to say he was only feigning rudeness. Yah, there's probably a better way to word it than how I did. I'll see how I can make it better. But that's the context, anyways. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 19:55, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
      • Huh, I feel kinda dumb for not coming up with better wording than "faking" Heh, live and learn I guess. :P --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 21:45, September 21, 2014 (UTC)
  • Please fully reference your BTS. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 18:05, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
    • I never said it was done. A lot of these release dates elude me. I don't this game ever did have a page on the old LucasArts website, which I bet would have had a good date. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 21:45, September 21, 2014 (UTC)
      • I'd vouch that IGN is reliable for video game release dates. IN addition, the date on the game's review is dated for May 20, a day after the listed release date. Also added in the Kinect date (Which I admittedly did forget the first time around) and created some Racer Revenge refs. Unless I'm still missing something, which I don't think I am unless I need to source the film release date (I've noticed not everyone likes IMDB sources, so, uh, Rotten Tomatoes?) that should be the whole BtS. EDIT:Oh, and I'm not sure that the review author name needs to be there, since I'm directly linking to the review, but the Game's page, which has a small bit of writing written by Boulding. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 22:10, September 21, 2014 (UTC)
  • Gonna need a source for that date of 22 BBY in the Racer revenge section. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 19:15, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • For the quotes from Episode I Racer, the Episode I video game, and Racer Revenge, may I ask if you are transcribing them from on-screen captions or dialogue files, or are they your own punctuating? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:14, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
    • The Vulptereen racer, Dud Bolt, is on the track today. Ho, he is gonna be tough to beat. and Dud Bolt has got a mean streak going on out there! were not captioned in either game. Without really knowing, I tried to base puncuation on how excited the voice actor was. Dax was excitable, thus exclamation mark, and Fode (In which case, shouldn't that quote be applied to just Fode? I thought it was that way, but I don't remember if I had it that way or someone else. I don't want to erroneously reapply Fode as the speaker) just seemed to state it, thus periods. So, those two are my own punctuating. The game quote from the Episode I Game is borrowed from the Ebe E. Endocott (It was there before my revamp), but having played the game most dialogue is captioned (Well, it has the option to be captioned if I remember correctly). Dud Bolt's tuant from EIR was captioned, though it didn't have a period at the end. However, certain taunts did have an exclamation mark. I figured it was an implied period. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 00:18, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
      • Please check the Episode I video game's captioning to ensure exact punctuation for the Boonta Eve Classic section quote. And please note that punctuation refers to everything: commas, dashes, as well as ending punctuation like exclamation points. I'm specifically curious whether it's "Ha ha ha," "Ha-ha-ha," or what. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:09, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
        • I'll have to scour YouTube videos. But, a question. I have a feeling this might be both Fode and Beed talking. If so, their separate lines would be formatted like two people talking, correct? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 03:54, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
          • Okay, so the quote is as it is. Fode is the speaker, however. So, I would just attribute this quote to Fode, and not Fode and Beed, yes? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 01:45, October 17, 2014 (UTC)
            • I don't think it really matters. They're both the same being. If you got this from YouTube, can you show me the video? I'd like to check this for myself. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:57, October 17, 2014 (UTC)
              • Here you go. It should start right as the quote in question shows up. Also, I thought that the commentary was just over the audio, but it seems like the audio is cut in half, so it's Fode's voice on the back half of the quote. If you don't think it matters, fine. But other articles, that I've done anyways, address whatever head the quote belongs too. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 01:06, October 18, 2014 (UTC)
                • It really doesn't matter to me. If you want to change the quote caption to Fode or whatever, fine. New question: the Kinect quote from the "Racer revenge" section; is that taken from a caption? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 08:13, December 16, 2014 (UTC)
  • What is Dud Bolt's role in Racer Arcade and Anakin's Speedway? I'm wondering why you place them at the top of the Appearances list. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:09, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
    • Uuh, they shouldn't be at the top if they're 2000 releases. Otherwise, Bolt is just an AI opponent. I didn't think events in the game were necessarily canon, although I suppose locations would be. Etti IV doesn't list the arcade as an appearance, though. In A:Speedway he's just a picture in the game files and the installation montage. He doesn't appear in gameplay. I suppose that requires a C caption. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:46, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
      • Wait, confused Appearance order with Sources order. I listed those two on top under the fact that, if anything, they take place before E1Racer and the film, as they both deal with Anakin while he's still racing on Tatooine, before he was picked up by the Jedi. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:52, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • The BTS image does not have proper sourcing. "Star Wars Databank" doesn't work. You'll need to find and link the proper DB entry. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 08:13, December 16, 2014 (UTC)
    • Whoops, that's actually outdated anyways since I uploaded a new version of the image, which is actually from the Insider's Guide. Fixed it. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 18:15, December 17, 2014 (UTC)
  • The final sentences of the second intro paragraph regarding the dates of his racing career are not worded very well. The article first says that Bolt "continued racing through at least 24 BBY," but then it goes on to say that he actually continued racing into 22 BBY. These statements are almost contradictory of one another. You should find a better way to present this information. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:44, January 13, 2015 (UTC)
    • How about that?--Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:37, January 15, 2015 (UTC)
      • Well, now you have two consecutive sentences in that paragraph starting with the same word and structure. Please vary it up to avoid the repetition. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:08, January 15, 2015 (UTC)
        • Huh. I see... Er, didn't see, but now I do, but, you know what I mean. Tweaked it a bit without rewriting much. Technically, I guess they still say the same thing, but just with different wording. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 19:31, January 16, 2015 (UTC)
  • The first body image caption says that Dud Bolt wore a "notable" amount of gear. Do any sources actually say his amount of gear was "notable"? What exactly is notable about it? This idea isn't mentioned anywhere else in the article but in this image caption. "Notability" is an out-of-universe construct that we invented and have misused across far too many articles. If nothing calls his gear notable, we should avoid doing so. Moreover, that image caption is irrelevant to anything being discussed in that Bio section. You should reword it to reflect something being discussed in the section that it is illustrating.
    • Fixed this a while ago, forgot to note it here. The image captions should be more relevant now. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 16:05, March 7, 2015 (UTC)
  • In the first sentence of the Biography, the article sources the statement that Dud Bolt hailed from the planet Vulpter to that Wizards.com article. Although strongly implied by the context provided, the article doesn't explicitly say that Bolt's homeworld is Vulptereen. You should instead use a reference that says this outright, such as the Databank entry.
    • Actually, his homeworld being Vulpter has already been sourced to the Databank. The Wizards article is only sourcing Vulpter's placement as being in the Deep Core. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 22:10, January 25, 2015 (UTC)
      • Well, it didn't originally. The article originally had "Hailing from the Deep Core" all sourced to the Wizards article, which was incorrect. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:00, January 27, 2015 (UTC)
  • That Wizards.com article is also missing from the Sources list.
  • What is the purpose of putting the Sebulba Databank entry in a hidden reference at the end of the Biography? I've removed since, that DB entry doesn't mention anything relevant in regard to the sentence its attached to in this article. It actually says Sebulba's fate was unknown.
  • The P/T image caption does nothing for the reader given its placement. Try to come up with something relevant to the contents in the P/T section instead.
  • The first sentence of the P/T is completely unreferenced. Nothing in that sentence can be sourced to that Hasbro packaging.
    • The Nintendo guide describes Bolt as an aggressive "shameless toady," so I've added that note. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 04:23, February 9, 2015 (UTC)
      • Please show me where the Nintendo guide calls him "aggressive" or that he funneled such a demeanor into his bodyguard work for Sebulba. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:15, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
        • It doesn't explicitly refer to him as "aggressive," not by the word anyways. But, wouldn't "mid-air jockeying," "depraved," "ruthless driving," all sound like things under a tree called "aggressive?" I figured it wouldn't be too much different. With that said, at the original inception of this article I exlcuded small details from the books, I presume, under the idea that the little things didn't matter. I'll have to add some of these other snippets in. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 15:56, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
  • Where in the world are you coming up with this? None of this is in Bolt's Databank entry. "...he readily accepted jobs to destroy the competition for others, accepting his employers' paychecks without hesitation."
  • This a common example of poor extrapolation that writers often make, and something that you should watch out for. The article says that "The Vulptereen would draw a blaster whenever he needed to defend himself." This seemingly says that there are multiple instances of Bolt doing this, as if it were a trend. Yet, in reality, there is really only one example of Bolt doing this, during that single Kinect Star Wars scene. You should rewrite this to avoid giving the impression that this was a trend and instead properly reflect it as the single occurrence that it is.
    • Good point. I'll try and keep that in mind for the future. I'll probably look for it any other articles, too. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 17:22, February 4, 2015 (UTC)
  • There's no reason to have two separate instances of the P/T discussing the shape of his nose. Move the initial mention of his shovel-nose to the end of the section with the rest of his physical description.
  • The Skills and abilities section comes off as if it's being forced in there for the sake of it. There's very little that's being said there that isn't just being recycled from the P/T, and very little is actually talking about his actual skills. Moreover, this is not a section that is typically utilized for all characters. The Layout Guide specifically notes its relevance for Force-users. I would suggest just cutting this out entirely, which would also allow you better alternating placement for the article's last two images.
    • I thought Powers and Abilities was for Force-users, while Skills and Abilities was for anyone else. I started to add the section on Podpilots because it's a demanding sport that requires a hefty amount of ability. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 22:10, January 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • The Equipment section would be better illustrated if you used the infobox image from the Vulptereen 327 article. It's much more effective than the blurry, crooked holoscreen shot from Episode II.
    • I was asked to include an image from Attack of the Clones. I'm not sure where else it can go, but I'll experiment with it for a bit.--Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 22:10, January 25, 2015 (UTC)
      • I added a second image, but I've kept in the other one in the same section. It doesn't look too bad. Like I said, I was asked to include it earlier. But, if you feel it should go elsewhere feel free. And while I doubt you'd contradict the above, I'd strongly suggest not removing it altogether. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 17:22, February 4, 2015 (UTC)
  • Nothing in the Databank entry this statement is being sourced to mentions anything of this sort. Either find a proper reference or ditch it: "...which often meant that the Vulptereen pilot would fall behind the main pack for a time"
  • Again, nothing from this Hasbro set suggests anything that is being stated by this sentence: "Bolt normally did not wear much in the way of clothing other than pants on occasion." I've just cut this out instead of the article trying to manufacture some flimsy claim about when he did or didn't wear pants.
  • I don't see how you can source this claim strictly to Episode II. Something else is needed here. If you can't provide any other reference that actually states this, you should just cut this out, since it certainly seems like this is just kind of you're own analysis: "...using the same computer-generated Podracer model that was used for distance shots in Episode I."
    • Well I sourced it to the DB article on Bolt's Podracer. It says that the V327 was in AoC and the model on that page and what appears in AoC is strikingly similar (Same for Boles Roor and Mandrell's racers). I suppose it's possible they created a new updated model... SO I guess I'll remove it. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 04:23, February 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • Final reviewing notes: I've rewritten much of the BTS. It wasn't structured or ordered very well. I've grouped similar themes and appearances together to make it more cohesive, and I removed the long-winded detailing of the character's action figure accessories, which really isn't necessary for Wookieepedia. I've also removed the action figure image you added to the Sources list. There's no real reason for that to be there, and images should generally be avoided in Appearances and Sources unless there is a critical illustrative need. I have, however, left a Fact tag for the missing Hyperspace claim that you refer to below. We will need to find a way to properly reference that. This objection stands until that happens.
    • Any idea where I should start on this one? I'll re-check the Insider's Guide one more time, but I feel like I may have to look someone up. I got the image off of a Google search, but I doubt it's faked as there are several bits on there I haven't seen before. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 04:47, February 1, 2015 (UTC)
      • Update: I may have a kead on this, now, regarding the Hyperspace connection. I'll see how it develops. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 18:48, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
        • This objection remains unresolved, and, to answer your question below, I cannot help you reference this. I'm not even going to look at my other objections on this nomination until this is fixed, nor am I going to allow your delaying tactics to keep kicking the can down the road on this nomination. If you truly have a "lead," then show the evidence. I plan on starting a removal vote on this nomination one week from now if you do not demonstrate progress on this resolving this objection. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:26, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
          • Mm, yes. Because "Exclusive Fan Club Material Officially removed from the Internet = Deviously Lazy Delaying Tactic." Fortunately, the can never existed, but I suppose only I know that. The evidence isn't exactly... It's cache of the short stories. Unfortunately, that's all it contains. The source of it may have the other sections of Hyperspace. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 18:00, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
            • You said you found an image on the Internet. Can you show me this image? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:04, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
              • Here it is. I also had two threads about it, here and here, but got nothing (Possibly because I put them in the Senate Hall instead of the Knowledge Bank, which may have been a mistake). I found the short story collection via this thread. The image is from this blog. As I mentioned earlier, it's possible it is a fake, alas a sophisticated one. A lot of this concept art is nothing new, except for the middle one depicting an early look for Slide Paramita, here labeled as Teemto Pagalies. Paramita, on the other hand, has his name attached to another bit of art. In addition, I've never seen a colored version of that Aldar Beedo picture before, which intrigues me. There's more than just Bolt to deal with, here. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 18:51, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
                • That image is definitely not a fake. It most likely comes from the Hyperspace feature Galactic Gallery, but your guess is as good as mine which entry it was. I've added a reference note to explain what this information is and where it comes from. Outside of the original Hyperspace URL, this is the best we can do. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:04, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
  • The referencing for the BBY dates throughout the article is lacking. The following needs to be rectified:
    • "In 32 BBY, the next iteration of the Boonta Eve Classic on the Outer Rim planet Tatooine took place." 32 BBY cannot be sourced to Episode I.
    • "However, by the year 24 BBY, Sebulba had fired Bolt..." 24 BBY cannot strictly be sourced to any of the Racer Revenge material, because none of it explicitly states such a date. I'm guessing at best it says something like "eight years after The Phantom Menace," which is how you're extrapolating the date. Instead, you should create a reference note explaining how you arrive at this date.
    • Same for here: "For the new Podracing season of 24 BBY..."
    • Same for here: "...and became more aggressive than ever, topping knockout charts by 24 BBY."
    • Same for here: "For the 24 BBY racing season..."
    • Same here for 32 BBY: "By 32 BBY, Bolt's Pod had poor engine ventilation and lousy acceleration..."
    • Same here for 24 BBY: "By 24 BBY, Bolt upgraded the accelerator on the Pod..."
      • The dating for all of these should be fixed by now. My only question is if I should add an extra source after "For the new Podracing season" for Racer Revenge by itself, and then have the date and it's source stand by itself. Right now, the source is after "For the new Podracing season of 24 BBY." However, while the note explains the date, it also mentions Racer Revenge directly, and was wondering if that would work for the first part of that statement as well. Also didn't really know that each date needed to be referenced. I assumed that once was enough as the other dates could just be tracked to the first note. Thanks though for the correction. I'll have to fix that elsewhere. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 17:22, February 4, 2015 (UTC)
        • Every single part of every single sentence, down to the word, needs to be independently referenced, as you have done here for these dates. You cannot rely on a reference elsewhere in the article to apply to something said before or after. And you must maintain a formal voice in writing reference notes just like you do in the article proper. Never use pronouns like I, you, or we in formal writing. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:15, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
          • Okay. I didn't know it carried over to the notes, as I thought I've seen that in status articles (we anyways), but I see that's just incorrect or a faulty memory. Thanks for the info. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 18:00, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
  • After looking through a few sources during this review, I notice you're missing quite a bit of information:
    • The Podracer Pilots section of New Essential Guide to Characters as a section for Dud Bolt that talks about how Bolt enjoyed an existence better than most members of his species. None of this is mentioned in the article. This section also talks about how Bolt didn't care about winning. Although this detail is included in the article, it's a glaring omission from the P/T section.
    • I added the info about Bolt not caring about winning in the P&T. As for the "although he did not completely dismiss the prospect [of winning]" part, I sourced this to the Prima guide, as per the original reference about that in the second paragraph of the body. I figured that was okay as opposed to a note explaining why, when this far down the article. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 16:12, March 4, 2015 (UTC)
    • The Byss and the Deep Core article mentions that Bolt is "famous" and talks about his reputation for talent in relation to another Vulptereen racer.
      • I seem to be having difficulty reaching this source, atm. The backup links take me to the main navigation page for the article, but selecting the Vulptereen portion takes me to a cached version of Wizard's front page. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 05:59, January 24, 2015 (UTC)
        • Still not able to retrieve this. How did you get it? As I said, I can't get past the main page on Wayback. Clicking any link takes me to an archived Main Page for Wizards. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 17:22, February 4, 2015 (UTC)
            • Hah, finally got it. Added the famous bit in P&T, as the article didn't really have a timeline for when he would be considered famous (Though I suppose we could assume the Rebellion era, as that seems to be the tense). However, reading the article, I'm not certain mentioning Lon Wert is really necessary for Bolt, as it really has nothing to do with Bolt, imo. It seems like information better suited for Lon Wert. Hm, maybe it would belong at the end of the bio (As well as the Famous bit) in some kind of Post-Clone Wars or "Legacy" titled section by itself? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 19:34, February 11, 2015 (UTC)
    • With this much missing information, I can only imagine what else might be missing. I strongly suggest taking the time to go back over every single Appearance and Source listed in this article and mine them for additional missing details. You don't want me to do that for you. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:44, January 19, 2015 (UTC)
      • I've rented a number of books from the library in the past week so I've updated where I can. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 04:23, February 9, 2015 (UTC)
        • You've updated "where you can?" That's a pretty pitiful answer, Clonehunter. If you're writing an article for status, it's your responsibility to cover every single source. Have you even checked everything to make sure the article is comprehensive? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 03:01, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
          • I have been checking every source. "Where I can" means I've been updating what needs to be updated. I don't know what's so difficult to understand about that. Currently, the only source I don't have is the Fact File. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 16:48, April 11, 2015 (UTC)
            • Fact File had nothing new. However, I see something called Podracer Punch Outs is in the source list. I'd like to assume it says nothing new, but surely that won' do. Hopefully the sole Amazon seller will come down on that price, or I'll throw a question into KB and see if anyone has it. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 04:01, April 14, 2015 (UTC)
  • Another reviewing note: If you're resolving objections, I suggest you address them here on the nomination page as you do so. I'm not going through your changes to try and guess what you have addressed and what you haven't. Unaddressed objections will result in nomination removal after three weeks. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:00, January 27, 2015 (UTC)
    • I was just gonna cross them all off at once. But here, I went through to address what was down already. Hopefully I'll get to the rest sooner than later. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 17:22, February 4, 2015 (UTC)
  • All of these objections should be addressed now, with the sole exception of the Bozzie Barada information. You don't happen to know anyone here who has a good knowledge of the Hyperspace material, do you? I'll keep poking around, but right now it seems to be a fight to match up the image with an article title. Many of those HS articles have very nondescript names, which means the image could be from anyone one of those. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 16:05, March 7, 2015 (UTC)

Comments

  • Do we add Legends/Canon tabs? Bolt was named in The Phantom Menace. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 18:46, May 11, 2014 (UTC)
    • Eventually, all subjects that appear in both the films and TCW (with a few exceptions) will require Canon/Legends tabs. The current version of this article, as with Kam Nale, is the Legends version. CC7567 (talk) 18:48, May 11, 2014 (UTC)
      • So in other words, it's not time to implement them yet? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 19:13, May 11, 2014 (UTC)
        • No, the tab system CT needs to pass before anything can be implemented. CC7567 (talk) 19:14, May 11, 2014 (UTC)
          • O-oh, I see. I thought it did end up passing. My mistake. Thanks for the info, though! --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 19:20, May 11, 2014 (UTC)
            • And, now that the Tabs are being implemented, we do that here too now? I figure though that the canon tab won't affect the nomination for this Legends article, and as such would be treated as its own beast, yes? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 01:18, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and here's something I totally forgot. Has a Hypserspace logo, so it may be from a Hyperspoace article, but I do not know which, as I was never a member. According to this spread, Dud Bolt was at some point named Bozzie Barada. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:01, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

  • Any updates on this nomination? Also, still wondering if about the Hyperspace thing. I suppose, if there's no concrete solution or answer, we just ignore it? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 00:33, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Vote to remove nomination (Inq only)

  1. Inqvote Objection unresolved after more than a month. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 02:43, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 02:44, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote IFYLOFD (Talk) 02:45, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
  4. Inqvote Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 02:45, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
  5. Inqvote Looks like he... bolted... and this nom is a... dud. YYYYEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!! -- Darth Culator (Talk) 02:55, May 21, 2015 (UTC)