Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Defender

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Defender

  • Nominated by: Erebus Chronus (Talk) 02:56, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: The Defender is here
  • WookieeProject (optional): WP:TCW

(3 Inqs/4 Users/7 Total)

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Support

  1. Good job VergenceScatter (talk) 17:17, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
  2. ^ — Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 18:01, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 12:53, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
  4. Inqvote Nice. OOM 224 18:51, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
  5. Loqiical (talk) 03:18, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
  6. Inqvote MasterFredCommerce Guild(talk) (he/him) 10:52, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
  7. —spookywillowwtalk 15:09, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Object

UberSoldat
  • Ref 6 doesn't have anything on the "primary command tower" named in the body.
    • I thought "primary command tower" was in Complete Vehicles, but I was wrong, so it just has the name for the other bridge.
  • Image for Description?
    • Added.
  • I think you've provided a bit too much detail about the aftermath of the ship's destruction that isn't really relevant to this article. Just a brief mention of what the blockade's removal did is needed.
    • Is that sufficient?
  • Mediacat missing. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 09:43, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Please specify that Skywalker became Vader, since it's his memory. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 11:42, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Editor
  • What is the context of its mention in Lords of the Sith? Editoronthewiki (talk) 22:36, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
  • The fact that the Republic liberated Ryloth can't be sourced to Storm Editoronthewiki (talk) 16:14, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
Ecks
  • "As a Venator-class Star Destroyer of the Galactic Republic, the Defender possessed two command bridges, such as[1] a starfighter flight control bridge[6] both of which were equipped with a pair of hyperwave comm scanners[4] located atop either command tower, as well as was propelled by[1] a series of eight ion drive thrusters,[2] the power of which could be increased by an R2 series astromech droid via scomp link." Not entirely sure what this sentence is trying to say. It's a very long sentence that seems to be missing some punctuation and could also benefit from being broken up into two sentences. 1358 (Talk) 12:39, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Objection(s) overridden by Inquisitorius 18:35, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

OOM
  • I don't think there's a need to mention Ahsoka in the last bit of the intro.
  • For the Legacy section, I think "a planetary insurgency erupted on the planet Ryloth under the leadership of Twi'lek General Cham Syndulla" can be relocated to "Syndulla's growing rebellion" and some of the context can be cut down there. OOM 224 09:05, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
Loqiical
  • Line 28: maybe instead of saying "equipped" we can actually say "deflector shields" to be more specific
    • I do this all the time, so do several other users. Works similarly, either way.
  • Line 40: similar idea, maybe "at least 1 Republic escape pod" or something like that; and in canon, Republic escape pod has its own page
  • Line 68: "After its escape, the Defender was evacuated of all its personnel to the Resolute" ---> "After escaping, all the personnel on the Defender were evacuated to the Resolute"
    • Not a necessary change.
      • I think this one is needed because it doesn't make sense to say "the Defender was evacuated...to the Resolute", as the personnel are being evacuated to the Resolute Loqiical (talk) 03:05, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
        • I believe it's quite clear that's not what's being conveyed. "The Defender was evacuated of its personnel to the Resolute."
  • Line 68: "assume command over the former Star Destroyer" ? (since both ships are Star Destroyers)
    • Where does it say that?
      • I mean we might need to add the word "former" because both ships are star destroyers
  • Line 68: "by sending the Defender crashing into it" ---> "by crashing the Defender into it" is perhaps more simple?
    • Not necessary to change; current wording is fine.
  • Line 73: "which were capable of repelling...and gained additional power from the vessel's other systems" ---> "which could repel...and be strengthened by power diverted from the vessel's other systems" perhaps has more clarity in indicating that gaining shield power is due to diversions
    • Current wording works just as fine.
      • I think that the current wording makes it seem that the unspecified other systems are generating extra power for the shields Loqiical (talk) 03:05, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
        • Altered the wording.
  • Line 75: "hull was emblazoned with symbol" ---> "symbol was emblazoned on hull"; and "wings were painted with stripes" -----> "stripes were painted on wings"
    • Same as above.
      • This one is ok because of how these expressions get more flexible over time Loqiical (talk) 03:05, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Line 83: "support fire" ---> "supporting fire"; also, is this purpose (to provide supporting fire) stated in the episode?
    • Removed.
  • Line 86: From the episode I can only see the vultures crashing into the Resolute and not the others, but I may be mistaken
    • I believe it's all of them
  • Line 91: The fires are already burning before they escaped to hyperspace
    • Fixed it.
  • Line 91: "Togruta" ----> "she" or "padawan" since there is no mention of Togruta elsewhere
    • Huh? Are you saying that Togruta needs to be mentioned earlier in the article? Because if so, it does not matter where it is mentioned.
      • It's a bit unclear to refer to people based on their species if it has not been mentioned before; I think it is better to either state the species beforehand or just not mention the species Loqiical (talk) 03:05, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
        • Removed then.
  • Line 93: "as Tuuk had planned" ---> "as Tuuk had expected"? It wasnt really tuuk's plan
    • He planned for a Republic attack, same as expecting a Republic attack
      • Maybe "for which Tuuk had planned"; "planned for" instead of "planned" Loqiical (talk) 03:05, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Line 93: "Initially in belief of Skywalker's deception" ---> "Initially believing that Skywalker was honest" or something
    • Not a necessary change.
      • The problem here is that it is unclear if Tuuk believed that Skywalker was deceiving, versus falling for his deceiving Loqiical (talk) 03:05, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
        • I still believe the current wording works completely fine. Skywalker was deceiving Tuuk, who in fact believed the deception, which means he was falling for it. Falling for and believing something are the same thing. At least from my perspective.
  • Line 93: not sure if it is "life-form" or "life form"
  • Line 102: Technically the crew were not evacuated during the fighting but in a pause in the battle
    • That's where I put it.
      • I'm referring to "who were evacuated from the vessel during the battle" -> "during a pause in the battle"; or, my understanding of the events is incorrect Loqiical (talk) 03:05, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Sorry for being so nitty gritty
    • As I told you on the Discord, most of these are sofixits that actually require no change. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 14:42, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
    • All remaining objections should be handled, now. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 00:56, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Comments

Vote to strike objection (Inq only)

Support
  1. Inqvote ecks has been banned. I am happy with the relevant changes and additionally made a copy-edit myself. OOM 224 08:30, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote It is literally pointless to oppose this since ecks cannot follow through with these objections. Erebus deserves better. MasterFredCommerce Guild(talk) (he/him) 07:58, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote I messed up below. The last day or so has raised a lot of emotions for me, and I didn't think about it carefully enough and completely forgot about WP:POINT. I'm sorry to the Wook community - this isn't who I am as an editor. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 08:35, 6 November 2022 (UTC)


Oppose
Inqvote Opposing this in protest of Fandom's decision. Per the FAN rules, with two more Inqs supporting this will be struck as it should be. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 01:46, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Complete Vehicles New Edition mentions 52 point-defense laser cannons (not sure if this is meant to be the same as light laser cannons) and doesn't specify their location. And when are these depicted in the episode? Loqiical (talk) 06:16, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
    • For some reason, Complete Vehicles changes it to "point-defense laser cannons" as opposed to what they are actually called. For example, it calls the Munificents twin turbolaser cannons "point-defense cannons," when no other sources call them that. You can also see them in the episode along the framing. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 13:53, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
      • If we are unclear about what is what, I think that those things should just be left out. Additionally, the book doesn't label those cannons as point-defense laser cannons or light laser cannons or whatever... it seems that we are just making an assumption. Loqiical (talk) 05:29, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
      • Also, I was looking at Point of No Return and in the scene when the droids are flushed out the airlock, you can see dozens of these cannons in the portion of the hull in front of the starboard medium dual turbolaser. So this suggests that there are a lot more than 52 of them. Loqiical (talk) 02:38, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Are there any sources in canon that give specific function to each of the bridge towers? I know there were some in Legends, but I don't know if that made its way into canon yet. VergenceScatter (talk) 22:37, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
    • There are. Left bridge is starfighter flight control and the right is labeled "helm and command bridges." Never been asked to include their functions on any of my Venators so far, though. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 22:49, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 15:27, 27 November 2022 (UTC)